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Old 02-20-2008, 16:29 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I was a liberal in my late teens early 20s. I believed in progressive taxation and the so called "social contract."

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What made you to change?
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Old 02-20-2008, 16:41 PM   #62 (permalink)
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It's called growing up and acquiring wisdom.
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Old 02-20-2008, 16:54 PM   #63 (permalink)
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You give me too much credit, sir.

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Looking at my paycheck stub pretty much sealed the deal.
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Old 02-20-2008, 16:57 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Ah yes, shure there's no such thing as a Teenage Conservative, it's just the way politics turned out I guess - would you honestly have liked to preach about the free market or libertarianism when all your friends were talking about overthrowing the 'fascist' establishment lol?

And have ya ever noticed that all of society's easygoing, fun groups tend to be Left-wing ?

We have the potheads, you have the DEA units, we have the Feminists, you have the Homophobes, we drive smartcars, you drive SUVs - need I go on ?

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Old 02-20-2008, 18:23 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Agreed Steamin. Neither of the two canidates have ANY clue military wise. I have always asked the question..How can you control and respect one of the world's (if not thee without stumping it) most powerful militaries that is in constant spotlight and ridicule from many nations without first walking among them. And neither have. People wonder why I side with McCain, Its because he knows exactly what it feels like to be far from home for a long time in absolutely desparable conditions in the "hotel" and although it was a politically challenging conflict he still served so the man certainly has backbone and honor and knows what it is to suffer for his country.

People say he has a hot temper I say so what, what man doesnt under misc. circumstances and anybody who claims not to is but lies.
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Well, we all know what will happen if Hillary or Obama win. The military budget will be cut without a doubt. Build up, cut, build up, cut. Cost plus fee nightmares will be all the more rampant as well. People cant understand that it is more cost effective to maintain a military of good size, instead of gutting and then have to build up the military again. Going about it that way winds up costing a great deal more than just maintaining a military of good size. They do not realize the strain on the personnel as well. The strain on Military personnel and their family's would be less with a maintained strong military. That is one thing that they fail to think about. Many people see the military as a, well we are at peace we don't need it as much anymore, and so they cut away, only to find out that we were never really at peace and the $h*t is about to hit the fan, or already has.

Take the Navy for instance. If we would have maintained at least 430+ ships from the Reagan era on up (and 130+ in reserve), we wouldn't have to worry about FRP (us military folk call it family reduction plan), sea swap, and all those other proposed programs. Those mentioned programs are not a solution, but a way to sweep the problems of the fleet under the rug. Maintaining 430+ ships would mean better rotations and a less stressed out fleet. Now we will be in a struggle to get to 313 by 2030. That is sad. That means even when we get to 313, the problems would still be there. Is any of the above mentioned a concern of Hillary or Obama? The wouldn't know where to begin, and would probably select a SecDef, etc., that are involved with special interests, cost plus fee contracting for the monopolies and keeping competition as it has been since 93......dead. John McCain has been involved in these types of issues, and is a proven pork barrel fighter. McCain even wanted Rumsfeld out, who did not help the military get out of the dead competition and contracting woes that have been going on since Clinton took over.

If John McCain is elected president, he should select John F. Lehman Jr. for the secretary of defense. The monopolies and abusive contractors would crap in their pants if they heard his name announced and would run for the hills. Change.....Mr. Lehman would implement real change. He has done so during the Reagan years and has a proven record to back it up. The BOSS program alone saved a great deal of money.

Many people want to support our troops, but they fail to realize that there are those that want to cut the military any way they can. That would not be supporting the troops, but further stressing the military.
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Old 02-24-2008, 00:23 AM   #67 (permalink)
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You call feminists easy going and fun loving? Most feminists I met in college you kind of fear to disagree with in case they decide to beat you up... they tend to be stronger, bigger and meaner than I am. And very quick to take offense at anything.

In short they are a hell of a lot of fun to bait, but once they start frothing at the mouth it gets a bit old.
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Old 02-24-2008, 00:24 AM   #68 (permalink)
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You call feminists easy going and fun loving? Most feminists I met in college you kind of fear to disagree with in case they decide to beat you up... they tend to be stronger, bigger and meaner than I am. And very quick to take offense at anything.

In short they are a hell of a lot of fun to bait, but once they start frothing at the mouth it gets a bit old.
Yes, they tend to be women with very hairy legs and faces that remind me of steam locomotives.
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You call feminists easy going and fun loving? Most feminists I met in college you kind of fear to disagree with in case they decide to beat you up... they tend to be stronger, bigger and meaner than I am. And very quick to take offense at anything.

In short they are a hell of a lot of fun to bait, but once they start frothing at the mouth it gets a bit old.
I happen to agree with many of their policies, but I find they're too militant to be taken fully seriously.

Take in my college for example - much the same as above (cept the bigger, stronger thing, women in Ireland are dainty!), but streaked with nasty Anti-Catholicism, they once busted in on one of the Pastor's Sunday masses holding up giant placards with some seriously terrible stuff on them, which turned the bulk of the college against them.

If they were to stick to normal politics, more people might agree with them.
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Old 02-24-2008, 23:23 PM   #71 (permalink)
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If they were to stick to normal politics, more people might agree with them.
Well, part of their problem is that their predecessors have achieved the original feminist agenda... so after that all they could do was work to keep that, or go off into wacko land. Most of them chose wacko land.
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Old 02-24-2008, 23:24 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Yes, they tend to be women with very hairy legs and faces that remind me of steam locomotives.
They actually remind me of a modern version of the old temperance union battleaxes from here in the states.

You look at pictures of those "women" and you figure out how they got prohibition through... everyone was scared to argue.
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