Mobbme

Goodluck and goodbye!



You wouldn't say that if you've seen em!

troung

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FibrillatorD

The dynamic of that relationship isn't as simple as Krauthammer would have you believe. Remember how surprising the margin of victory was in Iowa? Overflow crowds caucused because demand is big for a President in touch with people and focused on solving people-problems, and not pursuing an ambitious foreign policy or mastering the political game. As a Democrat, Barack was in demand before he started running, but if he's chosen over Hillary it will be on his own merits.

McFire

Obama is a very likeable person and is a great speaker. However, I can not vote for him because he is way too liberal. In fact, by his voting record as a senator, he is rated as the most liberal in the senate. He also has absolutely no experience in matters of foreign policy and has no idea what to do militarily. The security of the US and its allies is paramount, but I don't think he has a clue. We don't need another Jimmy Carter. We can not kowtow to terrorists or idiotic foreign leaders (Hugo Chavez, etc). If you ever actually listen to Obama talk, he doesn't really say anything. He just talks of change and hope, but has no substance. By all accounts, he is a socialist/pacifist.

Hillary, I don't think so.

Relunctantly, I guess I'll vote for McCain, But I don't particularly care for him either. He just comes across to me as a grumpy old man. His voting record is a bit too liberal for me, especially since he claims to be a republican. Maybe he'll get a decent running mate (as long as it's not Huckabee!).

But that's all just my opinion.

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gunnut

Obama speaks a lot of words but all you can hear is just blah blah blah. His plan for this nation is a massive tax hike to pay for $1 trillion worth of social programs, including single payer health insurance. He just announced a $210 billion "job program" for the states with depressed economies. Where's that money coming from? We all know the government manufactures nothing but paper work, so that must be from the people. If you think the economy growing at 2% is a recession, get ready for a recession the likes of which we haven't seen in 2 generations.

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wabpilot

Whoever is the next president is going to get to deal with a recession. The US real estate bubble is a real problem. Which is not to say that there are not opportunities. There are. And it's not to say that this is the first recession ever, it's not. The next POTUS will, along with a bunch of talking heads, fret about the recession, probably waste a bunch of money on a "stimulus plan". George W. Bush has already committed to wasting a bunch of money on his "stimulus plan". The next guy's plan will have about as much impact as Bush's, none. In the end, the business cycle will cycle. It will cycle a little faster if government does nothing, but ultimately, the business cycle is stronger than anything government can do.

Exarecr

Seems to me he is just like the NDP here in Canada. Our very own Taliban Jack,leader of the enlightened, would probably smoke of the same peace-pipe as Obama(it's contents hobbit approved). As I sit here in balmy -19 Kingston and listen to the typical rhetoric,stupid speak and visions of self-importance each candidate attaches to their message it quickly becomes evident this is an election of unity through diversity. A bizarre form of political multiculturalism where the message has become lost in the promise,and the promise the new message of inclusion. The politically correct are loving all this of course,while Americas allies are going to be scratching their heads in bewilderment if Obama wins. My 2 cents. Cheers.

SteaminDemon

My Quote:
"and therefore would want to cover themselves for hospital visits, and doctor recommendations"

Dont think you caught that. Hospital visits would equal a broken leg or whatever.

And as far as John McCain thinking he was from 1776, we all know he's been around for a while, but Hillary on the other hand is running on her pretend experience. Kind of like Obama as well. The democratic candidates are spewing change out of their mouths but aren't clear what exactly they want to change.

Here is what it sounds like:
Well, were gonna change this and change that and change. If you want change, then support us. We'll change your kids bicycle tires, change your front left tire, and pass a bill to change Dale Earnhardt Jr's two right side tires. Then, you really want to see change, if I become president, I'm gonna change, I'm gonna change my coat and shoes when I come to the white house like Mr. Rogers did! You want more change? I'm gonna change the tax rate and make it higher. I'm going to change the way you spend your money! We're going to ensure more of it goes to the government, now that's CHANGE! Change.....yes change. Just wait until cap and trade, and carbon tax, your gonna' see some great change. All things are gonna' change, like your electric bill.....well I'll tell ya, it's going to go through the roof. And if you thought your gas prices were high now, that carbon cap stuff is going to change that price even higher. CHANGE!

JohnFlint1985

I agree with you. But what is a paradoxical to me is - how does Americans that follow this hollow candidate don't see this hollowness? What is it? Mass hysteria? New religion with him as a high priest? left wing revolution?
I can be wrong here - but I think it is all of the above. I don't want to see that. And it is a sea of difference between him and Hillary/ At least she has ideas, she has policy, she has experience. He has only media Hype.
I deal with his people in couple other forums and all I can say that if they are going to be around him - it is going to be something akin Che Guevara but in this country now. The more I talk to them the more it looks like they are mad with left wing paranoia.

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JohnFlint1985

Putin in Russia supports Obama
www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi…s_Clinton.html

T_igger_cs_30

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Republicans are out to crush Barack as a leftwinger

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Right slams Obama as 'shady Chicago socialist'
Republicans are out to crush Barack by painting him as a leftwinger with dubious support


LEADING Republicans believe they can trounce Barack Obama in the presidential election by tarring him as a shady Chicago socialist. They are increasingly confident that his campaign could collapse by the time their attack machine has finished with him.

Grover Norquist, an influential conservative tax reform lobbyist, said: “Barack Obama has been able to create his own image and introduce himself to voters, but the swing voters in a general election are not paying attention yet. He is open to being defined as a leftwing, corrupt Chicago politician.”

Norquist’s comments will be music to the ears of Hillary Clinton, Obama’s Democratic rival, who believes Obama has not been sufficiently “vetted” for the White House. She has been unable to attack him too vociferously without risking a backlash from Democratic primary voters, but Republicans may salvage her campaign by doing the job for her.

Obama has the voting record of a “hard-left” socialist, according to Norquist, from his time in the Illinois state legislature to the US Senate. He was recently judged by the nonpartisan National Journal to have the most liberal voting record in 2007 of any senator.

“It will be easy to portray him as even harder-left than Hillary,” said Norquist. “Hillary could lose the election, but Obama could collapse. People already know Hillary and she is not popular, but the disadvantage for Obama is that Republicans can teach people who don’t know him who he is.”

Newt Gingrich, the former Speaker of the House and Republican guru, recently described Obama as the “most leftwing candidate to run since George McGovern” – a reference to the anti-Vietnam-war Democrat who lost 49 states out of 50 to Richard Nixon in the 1972 election. Norquist believes Obama’s questionable Chicago connections will stir things further.

The city has a reputation for corruption from the days when Al Capone and his mob ran the town in the 1920s. Obama is tainted by his long association with Antoin “Tony” Rezko, a Chicago property developer who is scheduled to go on trial for extorting kickbacks in return for political favours on March 3, the day before the Ohio and Texas primaries.

Obama bought his family home in Chicago for $1.65m, $300,000 less than the asking price, on the day that Rezko’s wife Rita bought an adjoining lot at the full price of $650,000. Obama later paid her $105,000 for a sixth of her yard in order to expand his garden.

The seller insisted on both plots being sold together, which suggests that Rezko did Obama an enormous favour even if the deal was not illegal. The seller has so far evaded press inquiries, but he is regarded as a potential “ticking timebomb” should he decide to go public.

Clinton briefly raised the question of Rezko, whom she described as a “slum landlord”, in a televised debate with Obama in California, but was silenced when a 1990s picture emerged of her with Rezko and President Bill Clinton. Obama has returned around $85,000 in campaign contributions from Rezko.

“Hillary put the issue into the bloodstream, but it didn’t get focused on,” said Norquist. He believes that well financed “527” attack groups – named after their tax-exempt status – will mercilessly pursue Obama over his ties to Rezko. It was a conservative “527” group, the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, who did grave damage to John Kerry’s reputation as a war hero in the 2004 White House race.

Mark McKinnon, a top adviser to John McCain, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, said last week he would resign in the event of a contest against Obama as he did not want to participate in tearing him down.

But other members of McCain’s team have already gone for the jugular. A testy exchange last year between the two senators over the Iraq troop surge led a senior aide to take aim at Obama’s former drug use by claiming he “wouldn’t know the difference between an RPG [rock-et-propelled grenade] and a bong [smoking pipe]”.

Obama could run into further difficulties over his relationship with William Ayers, a professor of education at the University of Illinois and former member of the Weather Underground, a leftwing terrorist group that planted bombs in the Capitol and the Pentagon in the 1970s.

Ayers told The New York Times on the day of the September 11 attacks: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.” It emerged last week that Ayers served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund, an antipoverty group, from 1999 to 2002, and donated $200 towards his Illinois state Senate campaign in 2001.

Christopher Ruddy, chief executive of the conservative journal NewsMax and an arch tormentor of the Clintons over the Whitewater property scandal in the 1990s, believes Obama is “an old-style Chicago politician” who will nonetheless be difficult for Republicans to undermine.

“People are already gearing up to take on Obama, but there is a lot of apathy among the Republican ideological base. You don’t see a level of energy there,” Ruddy said. “If they go too far in their attacks, it will backfire.”

Portrayals of Obama as an irresponsible tax-and-spend liberal are already under way. Lawrence Kudlow, a former adviser to Ron-ald Reagan, put Obama’s “spend-ometer” at $800 billion by costing his proposals for extending health insurance, implementing green energy plans, setting up an infrastructure investment bank and other initiatives.

Obama has also said he may tax people earning more than $97,000, a potentially unpopular move that Clinton is now seeking to make a campaign issue.

However, Obama’s chief economics adviser, Austan Gools-bee, a professor at the University of Chicago, is a supporter of the free market. Obama has also been endorsed by Paul Volcker, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve.

Robert Wolf, the chief executive of UBS Americas, the financial group, is a big donor. “When I sat down with him, I found him to be unbelievably refreshing and smart and thoughtful,” he said.

Obama was introduced to Wolf by George Soros, the bil-lionaire financier and philanthropist who is a favourite target of the right for his sponsorship of leftwing groups and antiIraq war stance.

Obama’s pledge to withdraw troops from Iraq is a key point of difference with McCain, who believes a hasty withdrawal could provoke genocide and let Al-Qaeda regain its footing.

Patrick Murphy, a Democratic congressman and Iraq war veteran, said: “I’m proud to be a fiscal conservative and, in my opinion, Obama is a moderate. He wants to partner with businesses and corporations.”

He also believes Obama will withdraw responsibly from Iraq. “He has laid out a timetable fora ‘pull out and strike strategy’ – pull the troops to the border and strike against Al-Qaeda.”

Obama has managed to draw support from the most leftwing elements of the Democratic party, such as MoveOn.org, while winning over independents and disillusioned Republicans. Jim Kessler of Third Way, a centre-left Washington think tank, said: “He has managed to make an argument for postpartisanship in a way that appeals to very liberal Democrats because he is such a gifted orator.”

Just as Republicans will seek to tarnish Obama as a leftwinger, so Democrats will make sure pictures of McCain with George W Bush are everywhere.

Only now are Republicans beginning to ponder seriously which Democrat will be McCain’s strongest election opponent, after assuming for a long time that Clinton would be the easier target.

Ruddy thinks Democrats might be preparing to ditch the “dreaded Hillary” only to replace her by the “most leftwing nominee in memory”. Even so, he believes President Obama isa distinct possibility.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle3382313.ece

gunnut

Yes sir. I agree completely. Business cycles come and go. The government is best not to do anything to interfere.

The problem with Obama is he will institude a host of "programs" to tweak the economy. The law of unintended consequences almost never works in favor of government interference in the economy. Something will go wrong and the recession will last longer than it otherwise would.

I disagree with Bush's "stimulus" plan of stuffing every American with a $600 check. I think the best plan to keep the economy going is to make the tax cut of 2001 permanant.

Danielk

Ron Paul for president!

ChrisF202

Those are my exact feelings, McCain is nothing but a liberal in conservative's clothing if you ask me.

To be totally honest; Obama scares me even more then Hillary ... and she scares me quite a bit!