SteaminDemon

Who do you feel was the strongest in the debates? I think it should have ran longer personally.

troung

Romney - someone edit this to drop RP...

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Ironduke

The way I see it, McCain made a mistake saying that Romney supported a specific date for withdrawal from Iraq. However, I believe it's abundantly clear that Romney waited until it was politically advantageous to take a position on timetables, like everything else in his political career. I also believe it's quite obvious that Romney supported timetables for withdrawal from Iraq. Romney supported secret timetables.

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Ironduke

I thought McCain performed the best -- obviously I'm a bit biased. Timetables came up, as expected, I've express my opinion on that matter in another thread. I thought McCain had a great quip to Romney's remark about his NYT endorsement -- McCain being endorsed by two conservative Massachusetts newspapers.

I must have missed this -- what the hell are they doing? Looks like a fistfight is about to break out. I'm sure it's a photo shot at an inopportune moment...

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dalem

I'm sure you've glossed over the point that McCain was just plain lying then?

-dale

Ironduke

I believe McCain had an honest conviction in what he was saying, even if he was wrong. What is clear is that Romney was lying about supporting timetables from withdrawal, and used the "specific dates" thing to divert attention away from the real issue, the fact that he supported secret timetables for withdrawal.

McCain is essentially correct, he just handled it badly. All he needed to say was "Mitt Romney supported secret timetables for withdrawal from Iraq."

It's also clear that Romney refused to take a position on the surge until he could gauge which way the wind was blowing, just as it was clear he refused to take a position on illegal immigration until three days before the expiration of this term as governor when he signed an executive order as a showpiece in preparation for the presidential nominee race.

Tarek Morgen

uh is this supposses to be a new thread? Readfs like it belongs in the rep debate thread.

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Tarek Morgen

I think those debates would be more interestinf if the canditates would receive an eletric shock everytime they mention Reagen. I mean they are the ones running, not him. Give me a reason to vote for you (well ok, I am not American so I won't vote anyway but I think you get what I mean) based on your position and not because you won a Reagen-look-alike-contest.

Bluesman

A 'mistake', huh? It was no 'mistake'; it was a god-damned black scurrilous LIE, and for Mr. Integrity to conciously CHOOSE to sink to that depth just shows how much contempt he has for our collective intelligence.

Get this: he does NOT respect the conservative base, and he thinks we're a bunch of yobbos that will wave his flag whenever he farts the National Anthem. This is a direct insult to you, and me, and all us 'little people'.

He's SO perfect to be a Democrat...he should've gone ahead and switched parties when they asked him to, as it would've clarified him in so many more peoples' eyes.

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SteaminDemon

In my opinion, McCain did well. I did like what Romney said about the environment and how by incorporating fees on the US alone would be unfair and open the door for even more companies to go overseas to a place like China where they have no Emissions standards. I am not a supporter of Romney, but that is the straight up truth. Huckabee did well in the debate and even Ron Paul had a good insight on the economy.

Romney is correct. Why should Americans have to pay for all kinds of carbon credits, resulting in further increased energy costs?

Power Plant environmental controls that we have here surpass that of any other nation. That whole carbon cap/credit thing is ridiculous. 40+ Billion dollars has been invested over the past 25 years in FGD, Fabric Filters, SCR, High Efficiency ESP's, NOx reduction, and many other systems. The result in many areas is an increased cost of electricity at around 10%.

Instead of having the carbon credit b/s, companies that have these systems (which most of them do mid you) should receive tax incentives that are to be used for the further development of effective environmental controls which have already been instituted.
The result would be far better than taxing the hell out of the companies with no result other than American citizens being hurt in the pockets due to a stupid tax. Companies would have to spend more dollars to buying these carbon credits than improving their environmental controls.

Julie

McCain's got a plan, and he's sticking to it. Timetables, timetable, timetables. He has to because Romney changes as the wind blows.

dalem

Oh come on. "McCain is essentially correct, he just handled it badly." is nothing more than a Ratherism - "fake but accurate". McCain's a lying douchebag.

-dale

Ironduke

Tell me, did Romney support secret timetables for withdrawal of US troops from Iraq or not?

dalem

Nope. Read the transcripts. Watch the tape.

-dale

Ironduke

Seems CLEAR to me. If they're not for withdrawal, why the need to keep them so hush-hush, so secret?