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Huckabee vows to defy birthright citizenship*-*-*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper

The Raw Story | Huckabee: Amend Constitution to be in 'God's standards'
I don't know about this source but the video is legit.

Is there anyone out there who wants this nutjob to win? I'd love to hear from you because this is just outrageous.

gunnut

I think he has something there.

Better he than any of the democrats. Talk about nutjobs, have you heard any of the democrats lately?

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FarSide

Where?

I'm all for cracking down on illegal immigration but cutting up the 14 amendment is no way to do it.

As for the last one, no. Just, no.

gunnut

Why not?

What was 14th Amendment for? Why is it that someone gets automatic citizenship just because he's born here?

I think the 14th should be amended so that newborns are granted similar residency status as their parents.

For example: children of permanant residents automatically get green cards; children of citizens are citizens; children of people on work or student visa get terperary residency contingent upong their parents; and of course, no papers, no status.

I don't hate illegal immigrants. I just think they are very disrespectiful of those who followed the rules and jump the hoops in order to get in.

FarSide

From now on when I refer to the 14th amendment I'm just referring to the citizenship part, not the rest. Anyone who wants to totally get rid of it is a massive screwball.

The problem is that we don't know the status of the parents. What if one is illegal and one is legal? Why does the child suffer because of the parents' misdeeds? The 14th amendment made it so that we would not abridge anyone's citizenship on any account, as long as they were born here. You also cant force the parents to prove they are citizens before the hospital admits them, that'd be kind of cruel. What about the babies? Their parents sure didn't have the requisite papers so they never would, would they never be allowed to be citizens?

You live here you should have to pay taxes and have the chance to participate in the political process as you please. Legals pay taxes and are overall better than making them illegal.

I'm for tighter restrictions on illegals, but this is not the way. Make immigration easer and illegal immigration harder.

zraver

The 14th is hollow anyway thanks to Roe V Wade, the Patriot Act, the gun control act of 1968 and several other laws that effectively gutted the constitution under the pretense of the necessary and proper clause.

The Plus side- At least tying a child's citizenship to that of its parents would save us money. Thousands of women wait just across the border until ready to give birth. Right now if thier child is born here they get medical, housing, food, a little bit of cash and a free ride.

The negative- The only reason I oppose such a move is if birth is not sacred nothing defining citizenship is and thus we lose what personal sovereignty we have left.

donnie

A child born of illegal immigrants who are Mexican citizens, and subject to Mexican authority and who have rights as Mexicans citizens through treaties with the US, are in fact subjects to the juridiction of Mexico, not the US.

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States..."

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gunnut

Why?

We'll take the one closest to a full citizen. If a parent is illegal and the other a citizen, the child will be a citizen. If a parent is permanant resident and the other is on student visa, the child will have permant residency. Would that work?

The child will not suffer. He would otherwise be born in a country his parents had given up on anyways. Unless you're suggesting the parents came here illegally so they can suffer even more.

Again, what was the 14th Amendment for?

They don't have to prove they're citizens. They just have to provide enough money or insurance. No papers, no citizenship.

Maybe their parents should have thought of that to begin with. They can go back to their country of origin and hope that government could offer something for their people.

It's not about taxes or social services. I'm against social welfare even for citizens. It's about how these illegals get in front of the line of people who actually followed the rules and jumped through the hoops.

I agree. And one way to make illegal immigration is to take away the incentive of birthright citizen ship.

highsea

I'm not a Constitutional lawyer, but I don't think that is what that clause means.

A Mexican national living in the US is not subject to Mexican jurisdiction unless he is returned to Mexico for whatever reason.

An American who moves to another country and surrenders his US citizenship in the process is no longer a US citizen, even though he may have been born in the US. He is no longer "subject to the jurisdiction of the US". (not all countries recognize dual-citizenship)

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donnie

Well there are Constitutional lawyers who would disagree.

completely untrue, we have several treaties that contradict that statement, and Mexico has several laws that also contradict that statement.

well there's the rub

Your talking about someone who has surrendered their citizenship, completely different then someone just living here illegally without renouncing their own citizenship wouldn’t you say? If I were to say go to Europe and over stay my visa, are you saying that I am no longer "subject to the jurisdiction of the US" on the contrary I would be entitled to every right afforded me under any treaty that government had with the US.

An illegal Mexican (I pick Mexican because I know we have citizen treaties with them) has certain rights as a Mexican citizen. Mexico does not allow dual citizenship, so there are Mexican citizens who are protected by certain treaties with Mexico, like for instance prison transfer treaties, or automatic appeals for all death row inmates.

although one could argue the meaning of the clause, you were comparing apples and oranges.

all this relates to naturalized citizens, what i was trying to say orginaly is to declare that all people are born citizens of thier parents countries, then that person being born would fall under the "subject to the jurisdiction of the US" clause, because? because we say so?

troung

Huckabee: Change Constitution, For God’s Sake


Sen. Mike Huckabee told The Jewish Week his comments about God and the Constitution were about the human life amendment. “I am not suggesting that we rewrite the Constitution,” he said. Getty Images



by James D. Besser/Washington
Some Jewish leaders are scratching their heads — and Jewish Democrats are gloating — over the latest religious pronouncement from former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, the ordained Baptist minister who has skyrocketed to the top tier in the race for the 2008 Republican presidential nomination.
Speaking Monday at a campaign rally in Warren, Mich., Huckabee said he wants to change the Constitution to be consistent with God’s word.
“I have opponents in this race who do not want to change the Constitution,” he told cheering supporters. “But I believe it’s a lot easier to change the Constitution than it would be to change the word of the living God. And that’s what we need to do, to amend the Constitution so it’s in God’s standards
rather than try to change God’s standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.”
In a statement to The Jewish Week, Huckabee had this to say about the controversy.
“Earlier this week, I was speaking about the human life amendment which I support and has been a part of the Republican platform since 1980 — and traditional marriage. I am not suggesting that we rewrite the Constitution.
“However, I do believe I am the authentic conservative in the race, having pushed for pro-life, pro-family measures my entire public life — in fact, those are the issues that define me and led me to get active in politics.”
Huckabee’s comments were “unreal,” said Abraham Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, a group that has taken the lead in urging politicians in both parties to stop mixing religion and politics. I’m flabbergasted he doesn’t have the sensitivity to see how this will be offensive to many Americans. Who gets to determine which are ‘Godly’ values? Which Bible?”
Foxman said Huckabee did not take such a sectarian approach when he was governor of Arkansas. “So why is it coming up now?”
Part of the answer: the increasingly complex battle for the GOP presidential nomination. Huckabee, some analysts said, badly needs a victory in the Jan. 19 South Carolinia primary, where Evangelicals will play a critical role.
Over the weekend the candidate gave two sermons from the pulpit of a Spartanburg church.
Foxman said that in a campaign in which Democrats and Republicans alike are raising matters of faith as never before, Huckabee “keeps pushing the envelope further and further. This conviction that he alone possesses the truth is disturbing in someone who wants to be the leader of all the American people.”
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Ironduke

Farside, please use more courtesy in your selection of thread titles.

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jame$thegreat

This.

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TheGreenSmoke

My parents had me in the US while they were here on their visas so I can have a better life as an American citizen. I love my country; I even missed one semester of college so I can enlist in the army reserves. My peers ridicule me for my decision, but I know they don't know any better.

I am an American.

astralis

huckabee should go back to the pulpit where he belongs. what the hell is this, bringing the constitution in line with god's words???

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