FibrillatorD

Thank you

Gunnut, can you vouch for the lagality of your ancestors? I sure as hell can't for mine.

We have a long history of these waves. ALWAYS we've come out stronger because of immigrants. Its not fair to everyone waiting in line, but the fact of the matter is we don't have 12 million Japanese or German people who've set up camp illegally. Amnesty, bang. Problem solved.

Secure the border, build a 2100 mile long wall if you want. We have every right as a sovereign nation to defend our border from instrusion. Streamline the immigration process, or choke the stream for a bit if our infrastructure needs time to catch up. That's the simplest solution, and its better for everyone in the long run anyway. Historically, it always has been.

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gunnut

I do not doubt your loyalty. I just don't think it's right to come here for the express purpose of giving birth to an American citizen. That's taking advantage of a loophole in our constitution.

If the 14th weren't there, would they still have come over? I'm sure they would. Would you not have been an American citizen? No, I don't believe that. You would have stayed and went through the process. Just like your parents. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

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gunnut

Why, yes I can. My family immigrated here in 1984. I became a citizen in 1991. I wear 91 on my hockey jersey to celebrate that year. I have a citizenship certificate. It's in a bank vault.

I waited my turn, years in fact, to come here. Why can't these people follow the rules? I don't hate illegal immigrants. I just think they should follow the rules out of respect for other people who also want to come here.

I agree with Dale. High walls and wide doors. Make it tough to come in illegally. Make it easy and rewarding to go through the process.

One more note. Your graph is misleading. Those earlier immigration waves were legal. They all went through the process. The current wave of ILLEGAL immigration does not.

ExNavyAmerican

I'm not saying I agree with what Huckabee's saying, but I want to know with whose words the constitution should be in line with.

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ExNavyAmerican

DITTO.

dalem

The Founding Fathers', of course.

After all, they wrote it.

-dale

ExNavyAmerican

Exactly. Now, all that is required is to dispell the myth that we can't learn original intent. Someone has to write a book and call it "original intent".

As for Huckabee's statement, I just want to know what he meant.

FibrillatorD

Damn!

dalem

As can I. My mom's ancestors arrived here before there were laws (Mayflower, in fact), my dad's when there were laws and they followed them.

-dale

Ironduke

My grandmother gave me a copy of written genealogical records that had been passed down for a few hundred years that went back to the late 1600s. I traced the ancestry of the earliest people on that list, and they went back to the Mayflower. Probable that we have common ancestors, as most 3rd and 4th generation people in the colony descended from nearly everybody on the Mayflower.

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FibrillatorD

Congratulations.

With a few exceptions I think my point is still largely valid. Immigrants are a national asset. As with buying stocks, diversity is the only free lunch

High wall, wide gate, that's catchy. It doesn't address the 12 million here today.

FibrillatorD

Huck should just get to the point and tell us how wide are the pearly gates, because it isn't the lowliest that are first in his Christianity. Oh wait, its the Mormon's who call America the new Zion. Is the verdict in on whether Mormon's are Christians?

Alright I take it back

dalem

As I've said before, the ones that are already here need to pay fines and go to the end of the line for full citizenry, assuming they can ever get that. I don't think making them leave and come back is practical but I could be wrong. I'm more than fine with their kids becoming citizens.

I don't think either "side" on this topic is pushing a reasonable full solution, i.e. total "amnesty" on one side vs. total deportation on the other. Both extremes are impractical in my opinion.

-dale

jame$thegreat

My father's side of the family came here in the early 1900's. My great grandmother (who lived to be 96) came here at 12 years old in 1912 by herself because her parents could only afford to send her. She was Irish and lived with an English foster mother who loved her. She went through the system and payed to come to this country. My great grandfather was from Georgia, his family had immigrated during the mid 1800's legally. He even signed up for WWI at age 35 but was turned down (my father has the original document).

My grandfather on my mother's side came from Czecheslovakia and went through the legal system and quickly assimilated refusing to teach my mother Czech. Her mother came from Bari in Italy and did the same also refusing to teach my mother Italian because it was from the old country and you don't need it in America.

Don't be so quick to make such assumptions, some people are really interested in geneology like my father who has tracked my family history back to the 1700's.

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TheGreenSmoke

You can't just deny someone's right to citizenship because of the situation of their parents. A person born on American soil, regardless of his mother and father's status, is a natural born citizen and is just as American as someone whos family has been here for generations.