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Old 01-19-2008, 01:51 AM   #76 (permalink)
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Some people had a problem with John Kennedy's Catholicism in 1960, and he barely won over Nixon, if indeed he did win. (Cook County, Illinois voting problems) I think the public has shown more resistance to Romney's Mormonism than they ever displayed with Kennedy's Catholicism. Therefore, there may be a problem with whether or not Romney is electable.
Romney may have a bigger problem because he's from the north. John Kennedy was the last northern candidate to win a presidential election. Every election since has been won by someone from the southern half of the country including southern California. Southern candidates seem to know more about appealing to the general population than do northern ones.

Fortunately for him Democrats are probably going to nominate a northern candidate - either Obama or Clinton.
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Old 01-19-2008, 02:02 AM   #77 (permalink)
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This election is interesting, theologically. One Republican promises to get the Constitution in line with the Word of God, the Bible I guess, his interpretation of it. Also there's Mormonism, which jumps straight to calling the US the new Zion, whose Constitution crowns the President of the US the frontman in the Army of God.

Catholicism, on the other hand, was undercut when Kennedy answered a straight question about whether he would serve as a proxy for Rome. He said no, and that was that. What other concern would you have with a Catholic?

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Old 01-19-2008, 15:43 PM   #78 (permalink)
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That said, Romney has executive experience, a presidential mien, and claims he is a conservative now.
His term as governor does not qualify him for the presidency. Recession, unemployment, tax hikes, eroding of 2nd Amendment rights, massive population hemorrhaging and job losses are the defining characteristics of his term as governor of Massachusetts.

He's a liberal Democrat wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the word "Republican".
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Old 01-19-2008, 16:35 PM   #79 (permalink)
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I remember talking to Mormons who were into that apocolyptic view of the world. It scared me off. Yet I realize the "prophecy believers" pass on something interesting with every new millenium. We are rewarded this time with an interesting angle on human behavior, the riot mentality and religosity. What is needed for the 21st century is a non-religious voice in the White House, someone who will admit we are suffering right now from the other Y2K bug...
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Old 01-19-2008, 18:54 PM   #80 (permalink)
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His term as governor does not qualify him for the presidency. Recession, unemployment, tax hikes, eroding of 2nd Amendment rights, massive population hemorrhaging and job losses are the defining characteristics of his term as governor of Massachusetts.

He's a liberal Democrat wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with the word "Republican".
We'll see.

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Old 01-19-2008, 19:51 PM   #81 (permalink)
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We'll see.

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We have seen. That's why we're making such statements.

I mean if I was a conservative that was for the Iraq war, I would go for Thompson. But I'm a conservative against the Iraq war, so I like Paul.
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Some people had a problem with John Kennedy's Catholicism in 1960, and he barely won over Nixon, if indeed he did win. (Cook County, Illinois voting problems) I think the public has shown more resistance to Romney's Mormonism than they ever displayed with Kennedy's Catholicism. Therefore, there may be a problem with whether or not Romney is electable.
Romney may have a bigger problem because he's from the north. John Kennedy was the last northern candidate to win a presidential election. Every election since has been won by someone from the southern half of the country including southern California. Southern candidates seem to know more about appealing to the general population than do northern ones.
Last I checked the Bushes are northerners...
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Old 01-19-2008, 23:14 PM   #83 (permalink)
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We have seen. That's why we're making such statements.

I mean if I was a conservative that was for the Iraq war, I would go for Thompson. But I'm a conservative against the Iraq war, so I like Paul.
I think I would prefer Thompson too, but he's too 19th century in his campaigning to really draw the support he needs in a 21st century campaign.

But if he somehow gets the nomination I would happily support him.

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Last I checked the Bushes are northerners...
No, their political careers were Texas based. Many Texans have northern roots
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I think I would prefer Thompson too, but he's too 19th century in his campaigning to really draw the support he needs in a 21st century campaign.

But if he somehow gets the nomination I would happily support him.

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It's an open secret that Fred Thompson will be endorsing John McCain. They're good friends, and Fred Thompson's aggressive campaigning against Huckabee in western SC may have well given John McCain the win. It's been speculated that Thompson and McCain may have set this up.

I'd love to see a McCain-Thompson ticket.
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So far Romney has won:

Michigan - his home state
Nevada - over 50% of those who voted for him were Mormon
Wyoming - 10% Mormon but disproportionately voted in the primary

I believe he'll win the following:

Utah - obvious
Idaho - 25% Mormon, they'll all be voting

Romney was a very unpopular governor in Massachusetts... he'll lose it handily.
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It's an open secret that Fred Thompson will be endorsing John McCain. They're good friends, and Fred Thompson's aggressive campaigning against Huckabee in western SC may have well given John McCain the win. It's been speculated that Thompson and McCain may have set this up.

I'd love to see a McCain-Thompson ticket.
That would ease the blow of having to support McCain for President, indeed.

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So far Romney has won:

Michigan - his home state
Nevada - over 50% of those who voted for him were Mormon
Wyoming - 10% Mormon but disproportionately voted in the primary

I believe he'll win the following:

Utah - obvious
Idaho - 25% Mormon, they'll all be voting

Romney was a very unpopular governor in Massachusetts... he'll lose it handily.
So, other than the fact that he has more delegates and has won more states than McCain, he's a loser, eh?

We should be having this conversation in front of my fireplace over cigars and rum

THAT'S politics.

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So, other than the fact that he has more delegates and has won more states than McCain, he's a loser, eh?
Dale, Romney won his home state and two states in which the Mormon vote carried him.

I suspect that McCain will lead in the delegate count long before McCain wins Massachusetts.
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Yes, we should... I did just get my knee carved open and fixed up though so it'll have wait two or three weeks. I'd kill myself walking down to your basement.
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Dale, Romney won his home state and two states in which the Mormon vote carried him.
And McCain has won where Democrats and Independents have influence.

Which of our arguments is less relevant?

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Yes, we should... I did just get my knee carved open and fixed up though so it'll have wait two or three weeks. I'd kill myself walking down to your basement.
Ahh, but I have a roaring fire in the upstairs fireplace tonight. Just watched a few discs of Ken Burns' "Civil War" tonight parked in front of it, as a matter of fact. Of course, I was supposed to be furiously filling out job apps instead, but there's always tomorrow for that. Know anyone who's looking for an ex-telecom project manager/account manager in the Twin Cities? I'd like to get back to a job that I care about.

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As the dominant English-speaking nation in the world, I have a suggestion: all other English-speaking nations in the world whose populations total little more than a mere third of the United States, should abandon their governments and join the United States.

Among states, England would have the second-largest GDP, just behind California. Not bad.
LOL!!

Not a bad idea, really. I would go along with this. An Anglo-American union would be a hell of a country!

The Queen could join the Disney corporation and Buckingham Palace turned into a Disney theme park. LOL!

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And McCain has won where Democrats and Independents have influence.
Like South Carolina?

Independents, not Mormons, will determine who wins in 2008. McCain has proven that he can win every type of group vital for election as president. He has broad popular appeal. It is indisputable that he is the most popular Republican in this country.

Watch the Democrats implode in Obama-Clinton fight, and see their supporters so alienated by the other Democratic candidate that they cross party lines.
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Of course, I was supposed to be furiously filling out job apps instead, but there's always tomorrow for that. Know anyone who's looking for an ex-telecom project manager/account manager in the Twin Cities? I'd like to get back to a job that I care about.
I saw Bluesman mention that you should have gone to work in intel with your logical and analytical skills... I'm sure your qualifications would work well in government, perhaps in a communications related field?
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I'm still trying to figure out how I'm going to take a shower before classes start.
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