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Old 01-17-2008, 00:41 AM   #46 (permalink)
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I think Romney is a demagogue.
You mean, he's a politician?

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Old 01-17-2008, 01:06 AM   #47 (permalink)
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I thought Romney starting his speech a minute after McCain, cutting him off, was pre-planned and the cheapest shot I've seen thus far in the Republican race. I think he's strung along Michigan voters on a bunch of false promises, pandering to their hopes.
Lets face it, all of the Republicans strung them along. It was corporate domination of government that allowed Michigan to get fvcked in the first place
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You mean, he's a politician?

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No, he's like John Kerry. A demagogue.

Taxes: Mitt Romney claimed to have reduced taxes in Massachusetts... truth is he raised taxes by a half-billion dollars through increased fees. "Stealth taxes", as the British call them.

Gay Rights: I don't have a problem with gays, but he said he'd be "more effective on gay rights in the Senate than Ted Kennedy." Let see that beautiful bean footage roll in the Democrats' ads.

Gun Control: He supported the assault weapons ban.
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“That’s not going to make me a hero of the NRA."
When questioned on his anti-gun rights policy when considering the presidency he did an about face and joined the NRA in August 2006. The Democrat who ran against him for governor of Massachusetts was given a better grade by the NRA than Mitt Romney received, and he had the gall to claim an NRA endorsement in 2002 when none was given.
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“We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts; I support them. I won’t chip away at them; I believe they protect us and provide for our safety.” - Mitt Romney 2002
Abortion: I don't particularly care about abortion, but he had an "awakening" regarding that too. Kind of like Norm Coleman, "I'm a Paul Wellstone Democrat."
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“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position in 1970 as a US Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been law for 20 years we should sustain and support it.” - 1994 Senate Race against Ted Kennedy

“I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice.” - Mitt Romney to Salt Lake City Tabernacle, 2001

“I respect and will protect a woman’s right to choose…. Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government’s.” - Governor race, Massachusetts 2001

“I have been effectively pro-choice.” In February, he insisted: “I am firmly pro-life … I was always for life” - South Carolina Jan 2007
Family Values: He claims to support family values, but had no problem with raking in tens of millions in porno pay-per-view revenues while chairman at Marriott Hotels. I stayed at a Marriott... even the previews are extremely explicit.

Economy:
  • Manufacturing employment dropped 14% while Mitt Romney was governor of MA.
  • 222,000 people migrated from Massachusetts during his term. (US Census Bureau)
  • Massachusetts was 3rd lowest in the nation in creating new jobs during his term. (2nd lowest excluding LA)
  • Employment dropped by 8500 from 2002-2006, the only state to see a decline.
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"Bottom line: All the positions you laid out today as a presidential candidate, can you assure the voters you won't flip back to some of the positions you had when you were governor of Massachusetts?" asked NBC moderator Tim Russert.

"Of course," Romney responded.
This guy's all over the place. His political positions change on a whim, he panders and says anything to get a vote. Not only do his political positions change on a whim. The position of the hairs on his head change on a pundit's whim. This guy is a Democrat.
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He changed positions on issues through the years? GOOD! Y'all saying he should refuse to take a re-look at ANYthing?

Also, the guy has it all: class, poise, charm, intelligence, and the ability to choose the best staff. There's not a single thing there to dislike in his perssonal qualities, and anybody that believes the crap the media wants you to think about him is being credulous.
Blues as an enlisted man do you not mind Romney's "stand" on waterboarding? The way I see it, he doesn't change positions so much as he's such a diecast used car salesman completely devoid of the capacity to hold true convictions. He's morally hollow

As wishy-washy as it gets:


John McCain waited out Romney on torture. Now THAT'S polite
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i loved how romney went and pandered like mad to those michigan voters by advocating protectionism...
He promised them the farm and they bought it. It will come back to haunt him.
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You mean, he's a politician?

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He's a bright, good looking guy trying to package himself for the presidency. Unfortunately, he's trying to be all things to all people so everyone will have a reason to vote for him. That is not politics. That's marketing.

Like Lincoln said, "You can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Romney is on a collision course with himself.
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He's a bright, good looking guy trying to package himself for the presidency. Unfortunately, he's trying to be all things to all people so everyone will have a reason to vote for him. That is not politics. That's marketing.
Politics is marketing.

And watching one of my DVDs tonight I realized another reason I dislike McCain.

He looks and sounds like that Saul Tighe guy on the new BSG, and I don't like that show.

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Old 01-17-2008, 05:50 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Politics is marketing.

And watching one of my DVDs tonight I realized another reason I dislike McCain.

He looks and sounds like that Saul Tighe guy on the new BSG, and I don't like that show.

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Who?

That show pissed me off so much I stopped watching it after the middle of the 2nd season. Bunch of narcissistic crybabies with a hint of paranoia and delusion of granduer.
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Old 01-17-2008, 11:05 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I'm sorry sir. As much as I dislike and distrust Obama, I have to set the record straight. Obama was not and has not ever been a muslim. He is a christian. It was only a rumor. You can varify that by looking up snopes.com.
Well possibly his Muslim Heritage and partial up bringing could be cautiously overlooked but his self professed "Christian" association does give one pause for concern.

"Obama mentioned his church during his appearance with
Oprah. Obama's church is the Trinity Church of Christ.
Please read and go to this church's website and read what is written there. It is very alarming that Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned."
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Old 01-17-2008, 12:48 PM   #55 (permalink)
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Dale, how can you be convinced that Romney's very recent "changes of view" are even real?

On the one hand, we have Republican candidates who are mostly consistent, on the other hand, we have one sole Republican candidate who has abandoned almost every single one of his policy stands in the past few months to couple years.

Name one thing about Mitt Romney that isn't as fake as a three-dollar bill.

Tell me how he's going to get jobs back to Michigan when Massachusetts lost 14,000 manufacturing jobs during his term.

Tell me how he's going to help fix the national economy when Massachusetts had the third-worst economy in the US after post-Katrina Louisiana during his term.

Tell me how he's going to support 2nd amendment rights when he's proudly anti-gun rights.

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An ad by Romney in New Hampshire claimed that his rival John McCain "voted to allow illegals to collect Social Security." That's untrue. Nobody who is in the country illegally could be paid any Social Security benefits under McCain's immigration bill. What McCain and 10 other Senate Republicans voted against was an effort to strip illegal aliens of a right they currently have: to apply the taxes they paid and the time they worked while in the country illegally as credit toward future Social Security benefits if and when they become citizens or legal residents.

The same ad said one of the differences between the two candidates is that Romney "opposes amnesty" for illegal immigrants. But Romney himself once called McCain's immigration bill "reasonable" and said it was "quite different" from amnesty. Indeed it was. The McCain bill would have required those here illegally to pay thousands of dollars in fines and fees to gain legal status.

In an earlier TV ad, Romney cast himself as tough on illegal immigration, saying "I authorized the [Massachusetts] State Police to enforce immigration laws." He doesn't mention that his order never took effect. It came in the closing days of his administration and was rescinded by his successor.
Closing days... surely he had the presidential race in mind when he made that executive order.


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so either he's an extremist muslim or a racist christian???

Factcheck.org: Sliming Obama | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
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Mitt Romney appears to think that, in respect of the bizarre beliefs of his church, he has come up with a twofer response. Not only can he decline to answer questions about these beliefs, he can also reap additional benefit from complaining that people keep asking him about them.
still applies to the speech which he gave.
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Who?

That show pissed me off so much I stopped watching it after the middle of the 2nd season. Bunch of narcissistic crybabies with a hint of paranoia and delusion of granduer.
Oh yeah, I hate it too, mostly for the same reasons, but I did like the 2 hr premier movie so I have the DVD.

Buncha pissy weenies. I'd hope the Cylons get 'em all, except the obvious gimmick is going to be that they're all Cylons.

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Politics is marketing.

And watching one of my DVDs tonight I realized another reason I dislike McCain.

He looks and sounds like that Saul Tighe guy on the new BSG, and I don't like that show.

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Campaigning is marketing.

Politics ain't. It's scratching my back so I'll scratch yours all to get what you and I want with respect to the governance of the people. Clearly, that is not campaigning for office where there is only one winner.

Haven't watched BSG. I'll check it out to see if that's a good reason to switch from McCain. Rush is blasting McCain non-stop. You haven't by chance been listening to him, have you?
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"...Barack Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their website, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned."
So, is the reason you are here to spread a fax smearing Obama? What you said about Obama is verbatim what is in the fax. The fax was proven false, as the Newsweek article mentioned earlier reports.

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Newsweek - National News, World News, Health, Technology, Entertainment and more... | Newsweek.com Obama is a member of this church and is running for President of the U.S. If you look at the first page of their web site, you will learn that this congregation has a non-negotiable commitment to Africa. No where is AMERICA even mentioned."
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