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Old 01-16-2008, 04:41 AM   #16 (permalink)
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What Bluesman said.

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Old 01-16-2008, 05:43 AM   #17 (permalink)
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I really don't want to see Rudy win otherwise he will ruin the Republican agenda when he becomes President. He's blatantly anti-gun rights and pro-gun control, pro-choice, and on some of the issues, he is right in the democrat camp.
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Old 01-16-2008, 05:47 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I really don't want to see Rudy win otherwise he will ruin the Republican agenda when he becomes President. He's blatantly anti-gun rights and pro-gun control, pro-choice, and on some of the issues, he is right in the democrat camp.
*scratches Rudy from the list*
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:27 AM   #19 (permalink)
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What a complicated electrol system you have.

In Australia, if an election campaign is longer than 8 weeks, it is considered to be a long campaign. The term of Government is 3 years but at any time the Prime Minister can call an election. To do so he/she must go to the Governor General and have writs issued to dissolve both houses of Parliament. Then the Prime Minister declares the date for the election.

Then for the next 6 to 8 weeks, they go at it hard, pressing the flesh, kissing babies, etc. On election day, and it's always a Saturday, voting in compulsory, yes that's right, compulsory. If you don't vote you get a fine of $20.00.

I believe it is a good system, making people vote. That way you get a better turnout of voters making the winner having a majority of eligible votes.

We don't have a "first past the post" system, we have a preferential system where the person who you want to govern, you vote 1, the next 2, and so on to the person you want least to govern.

Then preferences are distributed, EG: people who are voted 2 give preferences to other parties.

When it's a general election, it's for the "upper house" House of representatives, and either a full or half senate election for the "lower house".

Any bill that is passed in the "upper house"must be passed in the lower house to become law. If it doesn't pass in the lower house it either goes back to the upper house for changing or is dropped. If a bill is rejected by the lower house three times, the Prime Minister can call a "double disillusion" and call a general election as was done in 1974.

By about now you're very confused, but it works very well. We don't have politicians in your face 24/7 for 18 months, 6 weeks is long enough.

And just for the record, I hope Hillary gets in.

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Old 01-16-2008, 07:03 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I quite like Romney, although he doesn't seem very interesting. He looks the part and sounds the part, and has an attractive blonde wife. That makes a president in my book.
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Old 01-16-2008, 10:49 AM   #21 (permalink)
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This thread reminds me of a few discussions with Obama supporters. No one is quite sure what policy is at stake, but they "like him". No one knows why they like him, but they do.

Romney "looks Presidential" and has a cute wife. Agreed. What about his policy?

If this is all about sex appeal, I say the GOP should run Michelle Malkin.

I would feel a lot better about Romney if someone could say to me: "his proposed solution to [problem x] is to [do something] which is a good idea because [support based in fact]"
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:27 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Sometimes the other candidates are so unlikable and their policies are such that we won't support them that we end up voting for candidates who are "likable" and doesn't really have policies. It goes to show how polarized the US society has become.
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Old 01-16-2008, 12:34 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Yes I can. There are several reasons I'm registered as a democrat:

1. I was young, dumb, and full of... well, I was young and dumb.
2. I'm too lazy to change.
3. I get a nice list of things the democratic party wants me to vote for in every single election. I use that as a guide on what NOT to vote for.
4. I get to do my part to disrupt the democrat polling or primaries.

Ah, the life of a subversive..............
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Old 01-16-2008, 13:06 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Also, the guy has it all: class, poise, charm
And he displayed every one of those qualities about a minute into McCain's speech last night.
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There's not a single thing there to dislike in his perssonal qualities
He's just another politician who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth... had a position as vice-president of a corporation waiting for him upon graduation. I don't think he's done a single day of hard work in his life.
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I never bought the knock on him that he'll say anything to get a vote; that's Hillary's game. Romney IS honest.
I don't buy that... Romney was clearly pandering to get votes in Michigan. There's some jobs that aren't coming back, yet Romney is going to pull them out of his ass. The man's pure image and a pander.
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Old 01-16-2008, 13:42 PM   #25 (permalink)
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This thread reminds me of a few discussions with Obama supporters. No one is quite sure what policy is at stake, but they "like him". No one knows why they like him, but they do.

Romney "looks Presidential" and has a cute wife. Agreed. What about his policy?

If this is all about sex appeal, I say the GOP should run Michelle Malkin.

I would feel a lot better about Romney if someone could say to me: "his proposed solution to [problem x] is to [do something] which is a good idea because [support based in fact]"
Actually I want my president to do very little domestically. Appoint conservative people and stump for conservative issues. Otherwise stay the heck out of the way. Foreign policy is different, and I get a decent feeling from Romney on those two things - I think he'd generally stay out of my way domestically and be "America First" in foreign policy. Like I said, I can live with that.

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Old 01-16-2008, 17:32 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I try.
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Old 01-16-2008, 17:50 PM   #27 (permalink)
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This thread reminds me of a few discussions with Obama supporters. No one is quite sure what policy is at stake, but they "like him". No one knows why they like him, but they do.

Romney "looks Presidential" and has a cute wife. Agreed. What about his policy?

If this is all about sex appeal, I say the GOP should run Michelle Malkin.

I would feel a lot better about Romney if someone could say to me: "his proposed solution to [problem x] is to [do something] which is a good idea because [support based in fact]"

I was being 'toungue in cheek', but, seriously, a lot of voters are not too concerned about policies. Many people go for image alone. If Arnie Schwarznegger ran for the presidency (and the law was changed to allow this) he would stand a pretty good chance.
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Old 01-16-2008, 18:01 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Vote at your own Peril

As far as what Romney makes speaches about and what his past record shows as facts. He is probably the closest thing to truism a canidate could be and still say he is for conservetism along a so called "Republican" ticket.

I've only voted once in my life and that was for Reagan. No I'm not a fanatic either. I can't stand career politicians. And won't vote for them period. You got the royal clinton family. You got the royal Bush family. It makes me sick. Lets just have a king and queen for life. Ha, ha.

If Fred can't make it work. It would be sad. I would spend time on pondering to go ahead and vote for Romney as my concession otherwise it's another no vote boycott. Niether party is held acountable to nothing after they get in anyway's. It's a machine.
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Old 01-16-2008, 20:07 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I have a suggestion: America should become a monarchy, with the Queen of England as its monarch, and join the British Commonwealth. Then you could simply elect a political party into power (instead of a president) and the party will elect a leader and Prime Minister. This will strengthen the special relationship with the UK and make the world a safer place. Also, this could make it easy for Canada to join the US and leave the French speakers of Quebec to form their own little state.

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Old 01-16-2008, 20:14 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Church and State still separated??

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Some people had a problem with John Kennedy's Catholicism in 1960, and he barely won over Nixon, if indeed he did win. (Cook County, Illinois voting problems) I think the public has shown more resistance to Romney's Mormonism than they ever displayed with Kennedy's Catholicism. Therefore, there may be a problem with whether or not Romney is electable.
What about Hussan Obama's Muslim background, Huckabe's Evangelical Bible Thumping, and of course Clinton's worship of Communism cloked as Socialism. We seem to fraught with religious overtones in this election.
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