Giuliani faces tough NRA crowd

**Ironduke** · 10-16-2007, 18:08 PM

Does Giuliani fully support 2nd Amendment rights?

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Giuliani faces tough crowd at NRA conference
Members worry about GOP candidate's track record as New York mayor

By Matthew E. Berger
NBC News
Updated: 6:57 p.m. PT Sept 22, 2007

WASHINGTON - Rudy Giuliani told the National Rifle Association much of what they wanted to hear Friday about his support for Second Amendment rights, but left the conference with few converts.

“I think he is sincere; I just don’t know if he truly believes it down deep inside,” said Thomas Crum, a retired trucking executive from Scottsdale, Ariz. “I have a little difference with him just beginning to realize what his position really is.”

Most members of the gun lobby who attended Friday’s “A Celebration of American Values” conference said they were encouraged by Giuliani’s appearance and what he said about support for gun rights. But most also said they were concerned about his track record supporting gun control as mayor of New York City, and favored other candidates in the Republican presidential primary.

Bob Bell, a salesman from Clarkesville, Md., said he respected Giuliani’s leadership during the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, but preferred former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson, a longtime supporter of second amendment rights. Bell said Giuliani’s mayoral record -- including his advocacy for the assault weapons ban and lawsuits against gun manufacturers -- weighed heavy on him.

“He was a mayor of New York City, and try and get a gun permit up there,” he said.

To garner his support, Bell said, Giuliani would have needed to espouse the right to carry weapons and make a retraction for his earlier views.

Instead, Giuliani acknowledged disagreements with much of the crowd but stressed “there are a lot of things you and I have in common.” His 20-minute speech focused largely on enforcing current gun laws and prosecuting crimes committed with a gun, rather than new gun ownership restrictions.

“The bottom line is we need to step up enforcement of gun crimes and leave law-abiding citizens alone,” Giuliani said to tepid applause.

The Republican candidate, who is among the frontrunners at this point in the 2008 race, did try to explain why, as mayor, he joined a lawsuit by several cities against the gun industry, arguing that manufacturers and distributors made it too easy for criminals to get guns.

On Friday, he said the ongoing lawsuit "has taken several turns and several twists I don't agree with."

Giuliani also said he agrees with a recent federal court ruling that overturned a 30-year-old ban on private ownership of handguns in Washington, D.C. He added that he would appoint judges who take a similarly strict view of the Constitution and the Second Amendment.

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dalem · 10-16-2007, 18:34 PM

If he appoints the right kind of judges and vetoes stupid assault weapon-like bills we'll be fine. That's all a President has to do and I think there's a decent chance he would.

-dale

Shamus · 10-16-2007, 20:15 PM

[quote]Instead, Giuliani acknowledged disagreements with much of the crowd but stressed “there are a lot of things you and I have in common.” His 20-minute speech focused largely on enforcing current gun laws and prosecuting crimes committed with a gun, rather than new gun ownership restrictions.

“The bottom line is we need to step up enforcement of gun crimes and leave law-abiding citizens alone,” Giuliani said to tepid applause.

The Republican candidate, who is among the frontrunners at this point in the 2008 race, did try to explain why, as mayor, he joined a lawsuit by several cities against the gun industry, arguing that manufacturers and distributors made it too easy for criminals to get guns.[QUOTE/]

There is a distinct contradiction in terms within these statements;on one hand he makes the statement that existing laws need to be enforced rather than placing new restrictions,then when explaining why he joined the lawsuit against firearms manufacturers he states that existing laws made it too easy for criminals to obtain them.Which is it Rudy???

Kalvan · 10-18-2007, 12:40 PM

Giuliani is not much of a conservative in general. If anything he seems to be more of a "national socialist statist", in the sense that he's an overt nationalist but supports socialist programs and accretion of government power. Romney is not pro-gun either.

omon · 10-18-2007, 12:59 PM

they all say whatever will give them more votes, than if they get elected, they will slowly back off, that happend before, and will happen again and again.

Dreadnought · 10-18-2007, 13:57 PM

IMO The main problem with guns is the fact that we continue to blame the manufactures for them and not those pulling the trigger with no remorse for human life. While we are at it lets blame the match for the fire as well.

Self responsibility goes along way here gentlemen. If we stiffen our laws on gun crime penalties such as hanging the day after you are found guilty beyond doubt that may make them think twice before handeling a gun in the first place. Let their parents cry while they hang and it will inspire responsibility where it should have been in the first place OURS!

Kalvan · 10-18-2007, 16:39 PM

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they all say whatever will give them more votes,

That's true, but with Giuliani and Romney we have a proven track record that shows them to be little more than standard model New England Democrats wikth R's after their names. I won't vote for either of them.

dalem · 10-18-2007, 21:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalvan

That's true, but with Giuliani and Romney we have a proven track record that shows them to be little more than standard model New England Democrats wikth R's after their names. I won't vote for either of them.

So you want Hillary for President then?

-dale

Kalvan · 10-18-2007, 22:08 PM

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So you want Hillary for President then?

Nope. But Rudy, the day after he was elected mayor of NYC as a "Republican", was on national TV saying we needed more gun control, and later endorsed the Dem candidate for governor, opposed tax cuts, etc. Benny the Moose would have been proud. Romney spent like a drunken sailor and eagerly signed a permanent "assault weapons (sic)" ban. What's the dif, really, from Mrs Bill Clinton? They're both Schwarzenegger Republicans and every bit as bad, or worse, than GWB. I submit that if they don't "get it" on guns, then they don't "get it" on liberty either. The only thing we're sure to get when we vote for the lesser of two evils is more evil. Why would I vote for Commie Lite (aka Giuliani and Romney) when, if I was disposed to support commie policies, I could vote for the real thing? If the Republicans want me to vote for their candidate, they'd better nominate a Republican, not a RINO.

Shamus · 10-18-2007, 22:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Kalvan

Nope. But Rudy, the day after he was elected mayor of NYC as a "Republican", was on national TV saying we needed more gun control, and later endorsed the Dem candidate for governor, opposed tax cuts, etc. Benny the Moose would have been proud. Romney spent like a drunken sailor and eagerly signed a permanent "assault weapons (sic)" ban. What's the dif, really, from Mrs Bill Clinton? They're both Schwarzenegger Republicans and every bit as bad, or worse, than GWB. I submit that if they don't "get it" on guns, then they don't "get it" on liberty either. The only thing we're sure to get when we vote for the lesser of two evils is more evil. Why would I vote for Commie Lite (aka Giuliani and Romney) when, if I was disposed to support commie policies, I could vote for the real thing? If the Republicans want me to vote for their candidate, they'd better nominate a Republican, not a RINO.

Nicely said,sir

**astralis** · 10-19-2007, 11:32 AM

LOL, at the same time, obama is obliquely referring to ms. clinton as "bush-lite"...

HistoricalDavid · 10-19-2007, 11:40 AM

"Democrat front-runners bicker.

In totally unrelated news, Republicans open champagne for partaaay."

Shamus · 10-19-2007, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by HistoricalDavid

"Democrat front-runners bicker.

In totally unrelated news, Republicans open champagne for partaaay."

Traps · 11-10-2007, 07:47 AM

...but he is having to deal with Kerik and the issue of whether Pat Robertson's endorsement is a good thing :

Thought Leader » Michael Trapido » Pat Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani is a big deal

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10-16-2007, 20:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
Shamus WAB Court Jester *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 04-12-07 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,160 Country:	[quote]Instead, Giuliani acknowledged disagreements with much of the crowd but stressed “there are a lot of things you and I have in common.” His 20-minute speech focused largely on enforcing current gun laws and prosecuting crimes committed with a gun, rather than new gun ownership restrictions. “The bottom line is we need to step up enforcement of gun crimes and leave law-abiding citizens alone,” Giuliani said to tepid applause. The Republican candidate, who is among the frontrunners at this point in the 2008 race, did try to explain why, as mayor, he joined a lawsuit by several cities against the gun industry, arguing that manufacturers and distributors made it too easy for criminals to get guns.[QUOTE/] There is a distinct contradiction in terms within these statements;on one hand he makes the statement that existing laws need to be enforced rather than placing new restrictions,then when explaining why he joined the lawsuit against firearms manufacturers he states that existing laws made it too easy for criminals to obtain them.Which is it Rudy??? __________________ A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort.

10-18-2007, 12:40 PM	#4 (permalink)
Kalvan Regular Join Date: 01-30-04 Location: Colorado Posts: 50 Country:	Giuliani is not much of a conservative in general. If anything he seems to be more of a "national socialist statist", in the sense that he's an overt nationalist but supports socialist programs and accretion of government power. Romney is not pro-gun either. __________________ "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Emiliano Zapata

10-18-2007, 12:59 PM	#5 (permalink)
omon Field mechanik *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-01-06 Location: bk Posts: 2,036 Country:	they all say whatever will give them more votes, than if they get elected, they will slowly back off, that happend before, and will happen again and again. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!" B. Franklin

10-18-2007, 13:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dreadnought *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 05-12-05 Posts: 5,534 Country:	IMO The main problem with guns is the fact that we continue to blame the manufactures for them and not those pulling the trigger with no remorse for human life. While we are at it lets blame the match for the fire as well. Self responsibility goes along way here gentlemen. If we stiffen our laws on gun crime penalties such as hanging the day after you are found guilty beyond doubt that may make them think twice before handeling a gun in the first place. Let their parents cry while they hang and it will inspire responsibility where it should have been in the first place OURS! __________________ Fortitude.....The strength to persist...The courage to endure.

10-16-2007, 18:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,557 Country:	If he appoints the right kind of judges and vetoes stupid assault weapon-like bills we'll be fine. That's all a President has to do and I think there's a decent chance he would. -dale

10-19-2007, 11:32 AM	#11 (permalink)
astralis *Foreign Service* Moderator Lei Feng Protege Join Date: 08-23-05 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,235 Country:	LOL, at the same time, obama is obliquely referring to ms. clinton as "bush-lite"... __________________ Never let the future disturb you. You will meet it, if you have to, with the same weapons of reason which today arm you against the present. -Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

10-19-2007, 11:40 AM	#12 (permalink)
HistoricalDavid Distant Deeps or Skies *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-19-05 Location: North London, UK Posts: 2,100 Country:	"Democrat front-runners bicker. In totally unrelated news, Republicans open champagne for partaaay." __________________ HD Ready?

11-10-2007, 07:47 AM	#14 (permalink)
Traps *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 09-03-07 Posts: 491	Giuliani is GOP frontrunner ...but he is having to deal with Kerik and the issue of whether Pat Robertson's endorsement is a good thing : Thought Leader » Michael Trapido » Pat Robertson's endorsement of Giuliani is a big deal

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