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Old 12-14-2007, 23:45 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I see nothing in that article to prove that the absolute numbers have gone up for the democrats, only the numbers relative to what's been given to the repubs.

It's plausible that the people in uniform don't particularly care for any of the Republicans enough to send money, or they want to wait and see who emerges as the front-runner, or they don't like the guy (Giuliani) who's looking-to-be the front-runner, and there are other reason someone might withhold money that they would've given in past elections, when the Republican field was stronger, or there was a more-appealing front-runner, or whatever
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Old 12-15-2007, 08:06 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Something to consider. Since 2003, between 150-200K soldiers have been deployed with variable internet access and higher priorities when they do have internet access like writing family, friends, etc. than in finding a campaign website to donate. How much has this impacted the statistics? I suspect that this hasn't been measured, which means that the statistics would be biased in the direction of the conclusion of less support for the GOP/more support for the Democrats. While I think the direction of the bias is clear, the question becomes how much.
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Old 12-19-2007, 01:33 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I know Hillary at least won't get much money form the more senior ranks who still remember RIF's of the early 90's and the gutting of our strength and then betrayal in Somalia.
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I know Hillary at least won't get much money form the more senior ranks who still remember RIF's of the early 90's and the gutting of our strength and then betrayal in Somalia.
But to be fair, most of those RIFs and shrinking of the military were from Bush I cuts. As was Somalia. A Bush problem that got dumped on Clinton's lap.
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But to be fair, most of those RIFs and shrinking of the military were from Bush I cuts. As was Somalia. A Bush problem that got dumped on Clinton's lap.
You're directly on target for the RIFs. Bush 41 approved the Army going from 18 down to 12. Clinton further approved going from 12 to 10. Bush 43 was potentially on the verge of going from 10 to 8 until 9/11 occured.
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But to be fair, most of those RIFs and shrinking of the military were from Bush I cuts. As was Somalia. A Bush problem that got dumped on Clinton's lap.

Aspin is the one who denied sending armor there, so when the rangers needed it it wasn't there to save them.

Also the funding under Clinton was horrible- we ran out of toilet paper each month, ran low on food, got worked to death as officers competed for reduced slots etc. Clinton did nothing to help us, he didn't even give us stability. My unit went from 5th ID to 2Ad to 4th ID is 3-4 years and changed full or partial garrison three times during that period.
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Also the funding under Clinton was horrible- we ran out of toilet paper each month, ran low on food, got worked to death as officers competed for reduced slots etc. Clinton did nothing to help us, he didn't even give us stability. My unit went from 5th ID to 2Ad to 4th ID is 3-4 years and changed full or partial garrison three times during that period.
That sounds like you had a screwed up command. More like a S-4 problem than a Clinton problem. You also cannot blame the name changes on him. Thats DA's fault.


I was in the MC at the same time and didn't run into any of the problems you mention.
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