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View Poll Results: What Republican candidate do you want to see elected President?
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09-29-2007, 00:25 AM
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So much hate toward truth in this thread..I'll respond to it tomorrow.
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Ha !....it's a Sunday picnic right now. Wait until it gets closer to election time. You'll probably be seeing me flex my claws as well.  Don't be afraid, put on your boxing gloves and jump on in.
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09-29-2007, 01:04 AM
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Ha !....it's a Sunday picnic right now. Wait until it gets closer to election time. You'll probably be seeing me flex my claws as well.  Don't be afraid, put on your boxing gloves and jump on in.
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Damn, here's me thinking we were being par ticularly civil 
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09-29-2007, 04:52 AM
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they're clearly not realistic as we don't live in an ideal world.
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We can't stop murder, so we might as well just let it go because we don't live in an ideal world? Ironduke, I hate to say it, but I disagree with you.
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No federal income tax? I would at least like to see our senior citizens get taken care of, and have a decent defense budget. Where would the money come from, tariffs? How exactly would the federal gov't be able to hold up Article IV, Section 4 in this modern age:
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We did quite well without one. And, yes, why not bring back the tariffs? The US is at a disatvantage in the international market. We ought to make it a bit harder for companies to go over-seas, make cheap crap, and send it back to the US. Also, I would be for a flat sales tax.
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Homeschooling? There are exceptions, but many of these kids turn out to be social retards in life.
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What the HELL are you talking about? Do you have stats right at your fingertips? It's my own impression that they also come out intellectually superior. And if by socially retarded you mean not sheep for a future globalized world, the I really don't see the problem.
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Pro-life? I think there are better alternatives to abortion and that the perceived need to have one could be mitigated by better practices... but in this day and age it's completely unrealistic to think it can be outlawed.
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Oh, you do, eh? Like something that isn't murder? If you don't want the baby, put him up for adoption. It's twisted! A woman is raped, is impregnated, and they catch the rapist. We can't execute the rapist for an exremely evil crime, but we can kill the baby for being at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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And for a libertarian like Paul, that's a very anti-libertarian view.
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Do you believe the being pro-murder is libertarian?
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Pro limited government? I think government pork, excess, and many bloated programs could be trimmed quite a bit, but Paul's limited government would be a less capable government... as in less capable of defending the US and dealing with threats when needed.
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How less capable? Less socialized? We did very well without Depts. Of Labor, Education, Homeland Security, HHS, Urban Development, ect. They're completely useless, sponge up huge amounts of money, and proto-socialist bureacracies. You know why we need an income tax right now? Because we have a massive bureacracy that needs to be financed for everying from burecrats (mini-tyrants) to superfluous programs like welfare.
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Gold and silver standards? They're just shiny, pretty metal. Why not palladium? How 'bout a diamond standard?
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And the crap we use now is just paper. A bit less valuable than gold and silver. I'm not necessarily for or against bring back those standards. But it was abolished by a socialist (FDR).
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Since when is Paul the only candidate that upholds the Constitution? Are income taxes unconstitutional? Not according to 16th Amendment of the Constitution. Or do only the first ten count? Or how about we scrap all the amendments while we're at it, as none of them are part of the original Constitution.
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Ironduke! Never have I seen such weak arguments on your part. The 16th amendment is against the substance that the framers intended for constitution. It would be like banning guns! Is your rationalle that we have to support every constitutional amendment simply because the framers provided for amendments, therefore all amendments must be ok?
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09-29-2007, 05:04 AM
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So much hate toward truth in this thread..I'll respond to it tomorrow.
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Yup, the only who can see the truth is you. You've really won the argument there, boy howdy.
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09-29-2007, 05:08 AM
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Ironduke! Never have I seen such weak arguments on your part. The 16th amendment is against the substance that the framers intended for constitution. It would be like banning guns! Is your rationalle that we have to support every constitutional amendment simply because the framers provided for amendments, therefore all amendments must be ok?
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It's consistent with Article V of the Constitution. The Framers anticipated the need to amend the Constitution, as they realized they were not all-seeing and could not predict the future. They weren't gods. Even if the majority of them would be personally opposed to a particular amendment if they could speak from the grave, they would be forced to acquiesce if the majorities required in Article V were satisfied. They can't, so let's not pretend to know what they'd think as they're quite dead.
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The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.
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We can't stop murder, so we might as well just let it go because we don't live in an ideal world? Ironduke, I hate to say it, but I disagree with you.
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Let me rephrase that. We don't live in a fantasy world with milk chocolate rivers swum by children with goody gumdrop smiles.
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What the HELL are you talking about? Do you have stats right at your fingertips? It's my own impression that they also come out intellectually superior. And if by socially retarded you mean not sheep for a future globalized world, the I really don't see the problem.
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I've met a few of 'em. Socialization, unfortunately, is necessary.
That's a wrap for the evening... I have better things to do on a Saturday morning... like sleeping.
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09-29-2007, 05:20 AM
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It's consistent with Article V of the Constitution. The Framers anticipated the need to amend the Constitution, as they realized they were not all-seeing and could not predict the future. They weren't gods. Even if the majority of them would be personally opposed to a particular amendment if they could speak from the grave (they can't so let's not pretend to know what they'd think as they're quite dead), they would be forced to acquiesce if the majorities required in Article V were satisfied.
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I understand the necessity for amendments. That doesn't mean I agree with all of them; and it certainly doesn't mean that they're all good.
Btw, are you a reconstructionalist by any chance?
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Let me rephrase that. We don't live in a fantasy world with milk chocolate rivers swum by children with goody gumdrop smiles.
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I've met a few of 'em. Socialization, unfortunately, is necessary.
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A few of them? Is that all of them?
I agree that some socialization is necessary, in very well regulated moderation. But are you saying that parents can't raise their children the way they want to because the world is globalizing? I'm dead set against globalization and we need a president who'll make sure the US isn't globalized.
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09-29-2007, 05:31 AM
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I understand the necessity for amendments. That doesn't mean I agree with all of them; and it certainly doesn't mean that they're all good.
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Off to bed after this post, but every amendment is Constitutional.
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Btw, are you a reconstructionalist by any chance?
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I don't know what a reconstructionalist is.
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I agree that some socialization is necessary, in very well regulated moderation. But are you saying that parents can't raise their children the way they want to because the world is globalizing? I'm dead set against globalization and we need a president who'll make sure the US isn't globalized.
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I support the Fred Thompson candidacy as I agree with his policy stands on trade issues. I'm not sure what homeschooling has to do with globalization.
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09-29-2007, 05:47 AM
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Off to bed after this post, but every amendment is Constitutional.
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Didn't say every amendment wasn't. All I said was that they all aren't good (as in good ideas), and I don't agree with all of them. I'm not questioning the idea of constitutional amendments; I question some that were made -like the 16th, the 17th, ect.
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I don't know what a reconstructionalist is.
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One who believes that the constitution was written so that to stay in tune with times; basically, everything in the constitution is relative, according to reconstructionalists. Most reconstructionalists are liberals.
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I support the Fred Thompson candidacy as I agree with his policy stands on trade issues. I'm not sure what homeschooling has to do with globalization.
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A few of them? Is that all of them?
I agree that some socialization is necessary, in very well regulated moderation. But are you saying that parents can't raise their children the way they want to because the world is globalizing? I'm dead set against globalization and we need a president who'll make sure the US isn't globalized.
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The first line in respone to (*)
The rest of my post was in respone to (^)
The impression I got is that you're against homeschooling because of globalization. Many people are because homeschooled kids may be taught in a way that society doesn't agree with, that may disagree with a uniformitarian, socialized, globalized society.
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09-29-2007, 10:51 AM
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However I am not an American, I voted for Rudy. I would like to see him as the president of your country. He is a republican, but isn't poisoned by the moral issues such as opposition of gay marriage and stem cell research, issues that I consider foolish for a politician to even say one word about.
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09-29-2007, 11:10 AM
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In the poll I voted Ron Paul even though there isn't a rats Arsed chance in hell he can win. I am an Independent in the States; a Nationalist in the Motherland. I have never had much sympathy with either face of the Demopublican/Republicrat Janis, But I can tell you this: I will be licking stamps until I'm dry in the mouth, answering phones until my ears are ringing, and knocking on doors until my knuckles bleed for the Republicans this election cycle. If the Democrats are victorious in the presidential elections -the death knell of America as we know it will have been sounded.
...and hasn't the Bush family been officially declared an Imperial Dynasty yet?
Ron Paul could probably be elected PM in Britain by a landslide it would seem.
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09-29-2007, 14:02 PM
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Damn, here's me thinking we were being par ticularly civil 
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Smug, as well. 
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09-29-2007, 14:34 PM
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However I am not an American, I voted for Rudy. I would like to see him as the president of your country. He is a republican, but isn't poisoned by the moral issues such as opposition of gay marriage and stem cell research, issues that I consider foolish for a politician to even say one word about.
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Actually, he is oppossed to gay marriage.
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09-29-2007, 17:08 PM
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Actually, he is oppossed to gay marriage.
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You mean, now he is, but wasn't, and probably will sway a little before 2008
With this said, however, Rudy still has my vote at this point.
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09-29-2007, 18:37 PM
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Actually, he is oppossed to gay marriage.
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Hmm, I thought he wasn't. I guess that is just to make an impression to the Bible thumpers.
In fact, I am not so well-informed about the candidates. My profile is:
Pro-choice
Pro-Guns
Pro-Jews
Continue war in Iraq but end it as soon as possible
Continue war in Afghanistan
Free health care for those in real need
No mercy for the lazy
What candidate fits the best with me?
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09-29-2007, 18:48 PM
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Didn't say every amendment wasn't. All I said was that they all aren't good (as in good ideas), and I don't agree with all of them. I'm not questioning the idea of constitutional amendments; I question some that were made -like the 16th, the 17th, ect.
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That's a matter of opinion, and certainly not fact. And as a matter of opinion, clearly the elected representatives of the people at both the state and national level thought they were good ideas.
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One who believes that the constitution was written so that to stay in tune with times; basically, everything in the constitution is relative, according to reconstructionalists. Most reconstructionalists are liberals.
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The Constitution was written in such a way that it can be amended as needed with the times, and clearly this is something the Founding Fathers wanted.
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The impression I got is that you're against homeschooling because of globalization. Many people are because homeschooled kids may be taught in a way that society doesn't agree with, that may disagree with a uniformitarian, socialized, globalized society.
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No, I disagree with homeschooling because children need to socialize with their peers, forge friendships, become acquainted with the opposite sex, and network with other people so they can explore their possibilities for advancement in life. On the other hand, I don't believe homeschooling should be outlawed. At certain ages, the parents ought to be able to choose whether they want to homeschool a child. And as that child matures into a young adult, the child should be allowed to decide how they want to be educated.
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