New Republican Poll - Page 4

Shamus · 09-26-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by otester

Judas betrayed Jesus, does that make Jesus bad?

Personally,Ron Paul pales by comparison to Jesus,and that does seem to be the comparison you are attempting to make here.Does that make you Judas then?Thirty pieces of silver doesn't buy what it used to.

temujin77 · 09-26-2007, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishapore41

Its not opposition, its letting the states and the market decide. The federal government should have no say, either way. That's Paul's stance.

Ah, I understand more now, thanks to you and all.

This is proving to be a rather interesting discussion

otester · 09-26-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamus

Personally,Ron Paul pales by comparison to Jesus,and that does seem to be the comparison you are attempting to make here.Does that make you Judas then?Thirty pieces of silver doesn't buy what it used to.

I am saying you shouldn't judge Ron for what some of his followers do.

Some of the followers that have been doing this either:

1) Aren't followers just trying to make Ron look bad which is what the media tries to do on various occasions.
2) Really want Paul to become president so are using extreme methods.

JAD_333 · 09-26-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishapore41

Actually he really believes in neo-conservative philosophy of more big government entitlements and remaking the middle east through force. He agrees and sincerely believes in these ideas. As a result, he has become an ideologue. He won't back down or compromise anything, even when the facts point in the totally opposite direction.

Oh oh, there they are: the dreaded labels!! People often use them in place
of reasoned argumentation.

You know, there may indeed be a time when a leader has to back down, but wouldn't you agree that there are times when he should hold firm. It seems you believe backing down is a virtue and determination is comtemptuous. So, what do you mean by Bush needs to back down and what are these facts he's ignoring?

FlyingCaddy · 09-26-2007, 13:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

Actually, they FAKE it well.

Some of 'em found their way in here awhile back, and got banned purty quick when we all caught on to what they were up to; and some more just showed up. There is a proven Paulian 'Internet strategy' that is largely based on deception. Check it out if you haven't heard this before. It's one of the sneakiest things seen yet in seeking new ways to campaign via the 'Net.

They start, stuff, and stack on-line polls (which is almost certainly how our new 'members' found the WAB; they searched for and sniffed out THIS thread), they start conversations with each other to create an artificial 'buzz' (we have some excellent examples of this in previous threads), they assert Ron Paul's virtues (and he ain't all bad; but his campaign is based largely on deceit) and then have another 'op' defend it when the rebuttals start. (Look for THAT from our new 'members', immediately after I post this up.)

A smart political consultant no doubt came up with this new way of fighting the political battle in the new arena: the Internet. It's not going to work, though, because it's been largely uncovered for what it is, and if there's ANYthing that looks and smells suspicious to a voter, it's this kind of 'slickness'.

Ron Paul has NO SHOT at the Presidency, but take a look at the polling following debates, caucuses, etc., and you can see the hand at work behind the curtain. Paul's support is very, very thin, BUT...the Paulians have managed to make their guy look like a player. But it's all smoke and mirrors.

Okay, watch what happens next...

Hey Bluesman, this is for you. Normally I dont waste my time on these internets votes. Hell, I havent been a frequent visitor since 2006. But just to hear you smear Ron Paul supporters gives me an incentive to log in and vote. Add one more for RP, the freedom choice.

**Parihaka** · 09-26-2007, 14:06 PM

Sooo..
Reading between the lines I take it that Ron Paul would

1: Slash taxes

2: Slash defence spending

3: Slash social services

4: Withdraw from the UN and Security Council

3: Withdraw from all international treaties.

Stan187 · 09-26-2007, 14:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingCaddy

But just to hear you smear Ron Paul supporters gives me an incentive to log in and vote.

Don't worry, yall do a great job of smearing yourselves without Bluesman's or anyone else's help.

Stan187 · 09-26-2007, 14:30 PM

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Originally Posted by temujin77

Ah, I understand more now, thanks to you and all.

This is proving to be a rather interesting discussion

Yeah, I'm really enjoying your fake discussion. So is the rest of the senior WAB membership

2DREZQ · 09-26-2007, 16:14 PM

Well, I voted for Huckabee.

Yes, he stands no chance of winning the nomination. but the poll question was who do you want to win, not who do you think will or can win. So that is the way I voted.

I saw his speech to the NRA, and I was VERY impressed. I was more impressed with his frankness on 2nd amendment issues when Chris Matthews (a pox on his name!) was condescend... I mean interviewing him later.

Besides how could anybody still hate the U.S. if our leader had a happy face name like Huckabee?

Bluesman · 09-26-2007, 17:40 PM

Paulestinian #1: 'Hey, have I told you the Good News about Ron Paul?'

Paulestinian #2: 'Why, no, I don't believe you have! Tell me: is he as perfect as I think he just may be?'

P#1: 'Why, my friend, he's even MORE perfect!'

P#2: 'NO! You don't say! Gosh, tell me more!'

P#1: 'Gladly, Mr. Sockpuppet! Well, he goes about 7-foot-2, weighs in at 310, all muscle. He's smarter than God, and he's the only true Republican since Plato's book came out....'

And on and on and on...

Here's some Paulestinan news from yesterday:

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Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul does not believe that 9/11 was an "inside job" and his campaign distanced itself from a raucous pro-Paul demonstration on a Mackinac Island ferry Friday night, a Paul spokesman said Monday.
In the incident, Paul's supporters taunted former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for alleged complicity in the attacks.

Spokesman Jesse Benton said the campaign was aware of Internet reports about the demonstration, which occurred late Friday when Giuliani boarded a ferry loaded with Paul supporters leaving a Michigan GOP conference. No Paul campaign officials were involved, Benton said.

According to one eyewitness, Giuliani was beset by dozens of Paul enthusiasts as he was leaving the island, some of whom shouted taunts about 9/11, including: "9/11 was an inside job" and "Rudy, Rudy, what did you do with the gold?" -- an apparent reference to rumors about $200 million in gold alleged to have disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers.

Ed Wyszynski, a longtime party activist from Eagle, said the Paul supporters threatened to throw Giuliani overboard and harrassed him as he took shelter in the ferry's pilothouse for the 15-minute journey back to Mackinaw City.

"It was awful," said Wyszynski, who supports Mitt Romney for the GOP presidential nomination.

"I was embarrassed to be a Republican. Never, ever, have I seen such a disgraceful performance."

Bluesman · 09-26-2007, 17:41 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingCaddy

Hey Bluesman, this is for you. Normally I dont waste my time on these internets votes. Hell, I havent been a frequent visitor since 2006. But just to hear you smear Ron Paul supporters gives me an incentive to log in and vote. Add one more for RP, the freedom choice.

Paranoid much?

Shamus · 09-26-2007, 20:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluesman

Texas congressman and Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul does not believe that 9/11 was an "inside job" and his campaign distanced itself from a raucous pro-Paul demonstration on a Mackinac Island ferry Friday night, a Paul spokesman said Monday.
In the incident, Paul's supporters taunted former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for alleged complicity in the attacks.

Spokesman Jesse Benton said the campaign was aware of Internet reports about the demonstration, which occurred late Friday when Giuliani boarded a ferry loaded with Paul supporters leaving a Michigan GOP conference. No Paul campaign officials were involved, Benton said.

According to one eyewitness, Giuliani was beset by dozens of Paul enthusiasts as he was leaving the island, some of whom shouted taunts about 9/11, including: "9/11 was an inside job" and "Rudy, Rudy, what did you do with the gold?" -- an apparent reference to rumors about $200 million in gold alleged to have disappeared in the collapse of the World Trade Center towers.

Ed Wyszynski, a longtime party activist from Eagle, said the Paul supporters threatened to throw Giuliani overboard and harrassed him as he took shelter in the ferry's pilothouse for the 15-minute journey back to Mackinaw City.

"It was awful," said Wyszynski, who supports Mitt Romney for the GOP presidential nomination.

"I was embarrassed to be a Republican. Never, ever, have I seen such a disgraceful performance."

Oh gawd,I'm gonna have to emulate Pari and start an "Only in Michigan" thread.....

temujin77 · 09-26-2007, 22:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stan187

Yeah, I'm really enjoying your fake discussion. So is the rest of the senior WAB membership

Settle down there, buddy.

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Sooo..
Reading between the lines I take it that Ron Paul would

1: Slash taxes

2: Slash defence spending

3: Slash social services

4: Withdraw from the UN and Security Council

3: Withdraw from all international treaties.

That's pretty much what I gathered too thus far, with reading on the web a little and from this thread. From your list of 5, at least, I have the world's support for #1 and #3. I'm a big fan of the government butting out of non-government business. Some social programs are not really the business of government, including social security as we know it; sure, it began well-intentioned, but with the bureaucracy we came to know as SSA, it's not nearly as efficient as we want it to be. Similar lines goes to the whole gay marriage issue -- since when is the happiness of gay people the business of the government?

I'm not sure if I agree with Paul's #4 and #5 as you described, though. If that's really what he thinks, then someone needs to remind him that it's not 1915 anymore.

zraver · 09-26-2007, 23:04 PM

Huckabee,

As an Arkansan I have seen him in action. He left office with slimmer smarter kids, better roads, and nearly 1 billion in surpluses. And he did that after taking over from a corrupt governor who had it after Clinton (who was a disaster).

The only area I disagree is his stance on gays. Who some one loves and builds a life with (assuming consenting adults) is none of the governments business.

Stan187 · 09-26-2007, 23:51 PM

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Originally Posted by temujin77

Settle down there, buddy.

Take a hike dipsh!t, put some work in with our community and then MAYBE you'll have a little weight to throw around.

View Poll Results: What Republican candidate do you want to see elected President?
Sam Brownback	0	0%
Rudy Giuliani	11	13.41%
Mike Huckabee	2	2.44%
Duncan Hunter	3	3.66%
Alan Keyes	1	1.22%
John McCain	13	15.85%
Ron Paul	24	29.27%
Mitt Romney	4	4.88%
Tom Tancredo	2	2.44%
Fred Thompson	22	26.83%
Voters: 82. You may not vote on this poll

09-26-2007, 14:06 PM	#51 (permalink)
Parihaka Moderator Join Date: 11-10-04 Location: Te Ika a Maui Posts: 9,453 Country:	Sooo.. Reading between the lines I take it that Ron Paul would 1: Slash taxes 2: Slash defence spending 3: Slash social services 4: Withdraw from the UN and Security Council 3: Withdraw from all international treaties. __________________ In the realm of spirit, seek clarity; in the material world, seek utility. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

09-26-2007, 16:14 PM	#54 (permalink)
2DREZQ Contributor Join Date: 08-04-03 Posts: 702	Well, I voted for Huckabee. Yes, he stands no chance of winning the nomination. but the poll question was who do you want to win, not who do you think will or can win. So that is the way I voted. I saw his speech to the NRA, and I was VERY impressed. I was more impressed with his frankness on 2nd amendment issues when Chris Matthews (a pox on his name!) was condescend... I mean interviewing him later. Besides how could anybody still hate the U.S. if our leader had a happy face name like Huckabee? __________________ USS North Dakota

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09-26-2007, 23:04 PM	#59 (permalink)
zraver Contrary by nature. *Military Professional* Join Date: 10-22-06 Location: Arkansas Posts: 2,529 Country:	Huckabee, As an Arkansan I have seen him in action. He left office with slimmer smarter kids, better roads, and nearly 1 billion in surpluses. And he did that after taking over from a corrupt governor who had it after Clinton (who was a disaster). The only area I disagree is his stance on gays. Who some one loves and builds a life with (assuming consenting adults) is none of the governments business.

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