Parihaka

Here's some of the current third party sites
New Ron Paul Websites | Ron Paul 2008 Revolution - Ron Paul for President - Daily Paul
Good forums to talk up Ron Paul [Archive] - Ron Paul Forums
Good forums to talk up Ron Paul - Ron Paul Forums
http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.in...2xGqa5QjJphxuA
RonPaulMessageBoard.com - RonPaulNation.com • View topic - Ed Brown - Tax Protester
Liberty and Accessibility: March 2007
Yahoo! Answers - How would make a better president Edwards or Obama?
Real Israeli Women... - Page 2 - Sherdog Mixed Martial Arts Forums
https://www.kitcomm.com/archive/index.php?t-6193.html

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Northalius

If that's going on, then so what? I wouldn't agree with it, simply because I know Ron Pauls' message is powerful enough to change peoples' minds, if they truly love liberty and freedom.

I say so what, because it has nothing to do with speaking about Ron Pauls' message of liberty from big government, and justice for the states and cities to make decisions for their own area, instead og big-brother government sticking their nose in everything, where it's not wanted nor needed.

So, even if it's a fact there are these "deception campaigns" going on over the 'net, does that mean Ron Paul is supporting deception? Not from what I can see. He just seems confident that if people would simply listen to what he has to say, they'd most likely change their mind on who they chose to vote before they heard of Ron Paul.

The debates held on TV seem to being about the war in Iraq now, but I remember saying: I wish they gave each candidate 30 mins. each to state their case on what they want to do to help this country, instead of setting up questions to steer the debate in one specific direction. Why? Because Ron Pauls' position is not soley about not going to war in Iraq; that's just one facet of many he has to fix this nation. If only people would see all of that on national television!

But, thank the internet, we can read it here, at least. The Ron Paul Library I posted is awesome to see what Ron Paul is all about! I'd suggest all to go there and read to your hearts content!

I've been inspired to vote again, because of hearing what Ron Paul says.

It's no longer having to pick the lesser of two evils... but to actually pick a GOOD condidate, is astounding to me!

Not one that says "Oh, the Dem's are blah blah blah blah" nor "Oh, the Republicans are blah blah blah blah", but rather "Liberty is..." "Limited government would..." "Getting rid of the Federal Reserve would..." "Backing our dollar with gold and silver would..."

Too much of politics these days, is all "us vs. them", Dem's vs. Repubs. Whatever happened arguing what's good for LIBERTY? Whatever happened to wanting what our founding fathers wanted for this nation? The nation they risked their lives to fight for?

I will say right now, that soley using online pole results to promote a campaign is pathetic. It totally undermines the whole thing, because it makes it look like Ron Pauls' message is not good enough to stand on its own!

Ron Paul is confident it can, so that's all that matters.

One reporter on TV asked why some guy (I believe a 9/11 "truther" as they call them) started attending his conferences? And Ron Paul was like "I have no control over who comes to support me; that doesn't mean I personally agree with all of their opinions. It just shows that people love the message, and want more!

The same can be said about those looking to deceive others into supporting Ron Paul. It's not his fault, so should you ignore his message because of it?

Another example would be: Those that call themselves Christians, yet go around shouting "You're going to HELL if you do not come to Christ!" Or "You dirty sinner! REPENT!" or "You're homosexual? You fa#$%^! You're going to hell!" (I believe I remember "Christians" sitting outside with signs basically saying this.

Does that mean Jesus himself would back these people? Nope.

Does this mean they're actually Christians, simply because they call themselves Christians? Nope.

Same can be said about Ron Paul supporters that do things the wrong way "for the sake of the campaign." as well.

Listen to the message, then judge it. Do not blindly give up simply because bigots or ignorant people do bad things in the name of that message.

Army5339

He is like a cult. The people I know are like cultists. Ron Paul supporters that is. It is a little creepy.

Stan187

Exactly the same thing I observed. They go thru phases. They invade our board, get banned, then give it a little respite, and come back with a vengence. If you love Ron Paul so much, go marry him, munchkins. And then shut the hell up and quit spamming our goddamn forum.

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JAD_333

North:

The powers that be here don't want us to get into another hullabaloo with Paul supporters, and I will honor their wish. I'll just tell you why I won't support Paul. It is partly reflected in the last para of your post:

I have listened and, while there are some parts of it that I agree with, a good bit of it is too quaint and regressive for the times we live in. Also, I don't believe a would-be president should be judged wholly on his message.

Among the other things a candidate should be judged on are the quality and reason of his supporters. Perhaps the bigots and ignorant people who support him overzealously are, as you intimate, beyond his control. But all the same I would be very leery of voting for Paul, regardless of his message, knowing from experience that many of the people who support a candidate accompany him into office.

And keep in mind that a presidential campaign is also a beauty contest. It's not only about message, but about personal conduct, communication effectiveness, poise under pressure, leadership ability, stimulating trust, campaign management style, and temper of electorate support.

If Paul wants to get a fair hearing he has to tamp down all the in-your-face campaigning by his people. The medium is the message.

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Stan187

Talk about understatements, brother.

Parihaka

Spam, telemarketing, junk mail, etc etc etc. This is an on-line community which you don't participate in other than to spam. Spamming is against forum guidlines.

Ishapore41

Its not opposition, its letting the states and the market decide. The federal government should have no say, either way. That's Paul's stance.

sirpuddingfoot

Ron Paul would be a fantastic candidate. Heck, if for no other reason than he isn't Bush, I'd vote for him. Of course, I'll probably vote for Kucinich in any polls I can find (like the corresponding blue poll here).

R.P.'s libertarianism is refreshing after 2 terms of neo-con hardline BS we've all put up with. If it was Ron Paul/(insert VP) v. a Clinton/Obama ticket, I'll vote Ron Paul (that is of course considering there is no decent reform party ticket (I voted Nader happily last round).

Northalius

Ah, well, I don't come to these forums much, and I wasn't here for whatever happened last time these supporters were here spamming, if that's what happened. You can check the logs, if you guys want. I am no spammer, and despise spammers. I like to have logical debates!

I've seen many supporters with what seemed to actually be a head on their shoulders. Not some crazy nutcases. So, you're probably only seeing one side of the coin. Keep watching the videos of Ron Paul, and see some interviews with people at where he's speaking in those videos. It's amazing when you see the variety of people that go to support him; old, young, people who were Dem's but changed their mind because of what they heard him say; people that never voted because they were sick of picking the lesser of two evils, but changed their mind when they heard Ron Paul speak, etc. etc.

His message is not all, but is the main thing. Still, if you see his character, it just screams "honesty" and "conviction" and "passion". He can go on and on to talk about one subject you bring up. He doesn't look like he's reading from a cue card.

I've seen plenty of videos of him speaking in Congress, interviews, campaigning speeches, etc.

Go see for yourself!

Ron Paul is trying hard to spread his message, since he's not some rich millionaire like the other candidates. He doesn't have millions of dollars of his own to get big commercials up on TV, so do you blame people that sometimes act crazy in trying to spread the message of Ron Paul?

That's another thing, him not being "famous" says a lot, when you think of politicians. It shows he has not been paid off by lobbyiests in Washington... like, well, 95% of politicians. That gives me further comfort, as well, in voting for Ron Paul.

Anyway, fine, if these forums do not want me to talk further about Ron Paul, then I will not. But, I am not spamming, I am just comfortably stating my case on why I am voting for Ron Paul. Nothing illegal in that on a forum that asked me which presidential candidate I'd like to vote for.

Did they expect a "I am voting for Ron Paul" and that's it? As you can see, I'm passionate about this, and I love spreading the word! It's hard for me to just leave it under the covers, when I truly believe it'd fix this nation, and turn it back around compared to where it's heading now.

ProzacNation

I haven't been here since the end of July of last year?

Nevermind, I haven't voted yet, but I'll probably vote for Fred Thompson - I am a little surprised to see so many McCain supporters here. I'll vote for whoever secures the GOP nomination, even if that person turns out to be Ron the Libertarian Paul, fat chance.

The Paulestenians have been spamming every political forum I've seen, they always come in and insult everyone as being "neocons".

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Stan187

LoL! Paulestinians...

I love how Bush is a neo-con in so many people's eyes now, since you know moveon.org says he is, so it must be right.

Ishapore41

Actually he really believes in neo-conservative philosophy of more big government entitlements and remaking the middle east through force. He agrees and sincerely believes in these ideas. As a result, he has become an ideologue. He won't back down or compromise anything, even when the facts point in the totally opposite direction.

otester

Judas betrayed Jesus, does that make Jesus bad?

astralis

bluesman,

i think "nut-roots" sounds better than "kossacks". would that apply to ron paul's internet supporters as well?

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