Bluesman

WEIRD, ain't it, that we'd all be so married up to the failures and mediocrities that the mainstream seem to prefer, when the obvious choice is RIGHT THERE...

What do you suppose THAT'S all about, anyway?

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Bluesman

And - surprise, surprise! - Ron Paul takes the lead with eight votes! More are on the way, I absolutely guarantee it.

If anybody doubts what I'm saying, do a Google Search on 'Ron Paul poll manipulation', or something like that.

RustyBattleship

Undecided but with a slight (very slight) leaning towards McCann. But there are too many times he sounds more like a Democrat than a Republican.

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otester

Should be 100%

People still voting for candidates with 'all options on the table'. That's sick.

Shamus

Deceit is deceit,that's sick when coming from the supporters of a man claiming to be against big government and its' tactics.

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Northalius

Very funny Bluesman, because you did not see me talk about online poles to back up why Ron Paul is good.

Ever wonder why online poles (even taken by big media networks like Fox News) are mainly for Ron Paul? It's probably because the internet is very independent of big, biased mainstream media? Ever think of that, Bluesman? Or has your preconceived bias blinded you to thinking rationally?

I spoke of what Ron Paul is all about, and it's no coincidence that the pole on this forum went toward favoring Ron Paul. Why? Maybe because people actually, and thoroughly, read my post (and maybe visited the link I posted, as well), loved what they read, and then made their decision?

Just a guess?

The mainstream media is privately owned by people, and people have biases that will hold them back from putting light on (aka giving air time to) those that oppose those views.

The internet is much more independent, and cannot be controlled by one network owned by biased people. There're biased websites, sure, but the internet also has sources from ALL sides that you can look up at the same time, to oppose those other biased websites. The media is not like that, however.

So, it's no wonder why Ron Paul is so popular on the internet.

bbachtung

Ron Paul only opposes federal taxpayer funding of stem cell research. He doesn't believe that it is authorized by the Constitution as a federal issue. States (like California) would be free to fund stem cell research using state funds if they chose to do so.

Bluesman

Told ya. And it'll get more and more frenetic, too.

Anybody do the research yet? Weigh in here when you've got something to report (because I just LOVE to be publicly vindicated).

Northalius

Yes. And also, Ron Paul is pro-life, yet he wants to leave it up to the states themselves, not the federal government, to make that decision in their more local area. Thus why he opposes Roe vs. Wade.

He's all about limiting the power of federal government. The founding fathers would be proud, for sure.

Northalius

Then explain why I did not talk about online poles in my first post?

Seems you do not want to debate the issue, but just cut short and run, attempting to look like you're the correct one. That'll just work against your case, my friend.

Ron Pauls' message is so powerful, I feel no need to quote any online poles of him winning. But, if the issue is in debate, then there's no denying why he's popular on the internet: The internet is much more independent. Plain and simple.

If you watch all the videos of Ron Paul speaking to people, he never, or hardly brings up the online poles to back his statements. He just speaks, and basically says "I see, and I know why they're now flocking to listen and back my statements with support: FREEDOM IS POPULAR!"

Go watch the multiple videos of Ron Paul on YouTube, then get back to me. You're throwing out your vote for him, simply because you think it's all a deception campaign? Yet you're not paying attention to the very message Ron Paul speaks about, and then making a decision? Youch! That's not very good, now is it? That's pretty sad, actually.

I hope a majority of people in this country do not think like you do.

Shamus

How many examples would you like?Here's a fun one.
alterati » Blog Archive » Ron Paul: President of the Internet

Ironduke

I don't want a Ron Paul flame war to erupt on this board, but evidence would suggest that those who favor Ron Paul are more inclined to participate on online polling. None of the members who outright declared their support for Ron Paul have much history of participation and have been registered for a far shorter time than the vast majority of our active members. I'm sure that some of those who cast a vote for Ron Paul on this board will be urging others they know of to register and vote.

Using the internet to gain national recognition for a candidate where he would otherwise receive none can be considered innovative, but what people are referring to as far as "deceit" is concerned is falsely trying to create an image of mass support where there is none, then trying to create a bandwagon effect.

The polls here are anonymous as far as members are concerned, but I have the ability to view who voted for which candidate. Every member who voted for Ron Paul has a postcount under 50. Five out of eight have postcounts in the single digits. Most have registered relatively recently. Three made their first post today.

That being said, I did send an email out encouraging members to vote on the polls so it wasn't found by searching the internet (though other Ron Paul supporters may ultimately come to vote on this poll by purposely searching for such polls). Though its interesting to see how much more enthusiastic Ron Paul supporters are than the supporters of the mainstream candidates, I would view his numbers here as a statistical outlier and not take them into consideration when gaging the levels of support each candidate has among the mainstream board membership.

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Bluesman

Bottom line: Ron Paul is engaging in a campaign of deceit, and his supporters tend to be nuttier than Kossacks.

And that is really, really saying a lot.

Bluesman

Good find, buddy.

Anybody else?

Parihaka

here's the site they used to run their last campaign on us. The reception they got last time from Blues and myself was enough to make them desist, now they're not directly linking from their site this time but using third party blogs to link here and distort the vote. A quick read through the strategy as outlined on that board should give everyone a pretty good view of their dishonest campaign strategy.
As Ironduke pointed out, the members involved have either just joined or are coming back from the original spam event, and the freestater links placed to here by Dadaorwell.

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