Old Poll - Favorite Republican Candidate - Page 2

dalem · 06-24-2007, 11:44 AM

Newt's not Presidential. Good in an advisor role.

-dale

JAD_333 · 06-24-2007, 16:54 PM

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Originally Posted by captain

Gday fellas,

Just an Aussie looking on but I wondered why no mention of Newt Gingrich yet.

I know he has not declared his intentions yet, way too early he says.
I have listened to some of his talks and watched some addresses on his web site and he seems to be quite reasonable and switched on with issues such as education and health care.

I know he has had some issues with his personal life, which the media tend to love and the left in particular are almost venimous towards him.

What is you opinion of him and could you imagine a Fred Thompson (Pres), Newt gingrich (vice Pres) team?

I bet that would cause some appopolexy amoungst the Washington chattering classes.

Cheers.

Newt is as dale said a concepualizer. He is a very intelligent and articulate man. But he wouldn't make a good president. As speaker of the House he had difficulty keeping his fellow Republican's in line. As a veep candidate, he would be a good stump speaker, but he'd be subject to character attacks for the dubious PAC funding that forced him to resign as speaker.

Matt Salla · 07-05-2007, 14:03 PM

How could anyone change horses in midstream? All the candidates' speeches, views and voting records are out on the Internet. Isn't that enough when deciding who to vote for?

Ron Paul is very much like Reagan. Or at least Reagan had some great things to say about Dr. Ron Paul. Please watch the clip and see.

JAD_333 · 07-05-2007, 17:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Salla

Ron Paul is very much like Reagan.

Naw, he doesn't have Nancy.

JAD_333 · 07-10-2007, 18:35 PM

Like him or not, he's got guts. Still 100% behind Bush on Iraq and held fast on unpopular immigration. Unfotunately, guts isn't enough in a presidential race. Down to $2m in the bank; pays for two weeks campaign; hate to see him go this way.

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Two of McCain’s Senior Advisers Leave Campaign

By ADAM NAGOURNEY
Published: July 10, 2007
WASHINGTON, July 10 — Two senior advisers to Senator John McCain of Arizona, including one of his closest longtime associates, announced today they were leaving his presidential campaign. The departures are the latest wave of turmoil to sweep over Mr. McCain’s troubled effort to win the Republican presidential nomination in 2008.

The two advisers — Terry Nelson, Mr. McCain’s campaign manager, and John Weaver, a senior adviser and close friend — each issued a statement this morning saying he was departing. The statement by Mr. Nelson — who last week agreed to continue working without salary after Mr. McCain’s campaign announced that it was almost out of money — came at the same moment that he sent an e-mail to his staff announcing his resignation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/us...&hp&oref=login

Kansas Bear · 07-10-2007, 19:45 PM

Ok, who was drunk and voted for Brownback???

dalem · 07-10-2007, 23:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JAD_333

Like him or not, he's got guts. Still 100% behind Bush on Iraq and held fast on unpopular immigration. Unfotunately, guts isn't enough in a presidential race. Down to $2m in the bank; pays for two weeks campaign; hate to see him go this way.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/10/us...&hp&oref=login

McCain shot himself in the foot with McCain-Feingold and torpedoed himself with the Gang of 14 judges fiasco. The latest histrionics he had over his little amnesty bill with Senator El Fatso was the final straw. I said he's out of the race by Xmas, maybe it's sooner than that.

-dale

Guardian · 07-11-2007, 15:06 PM

I am a Republican and work for a Republican politician. I consider myself Libertarian so I do not get bent on whoever the party is pushing or endorsing. We talk often at work about the future of the Republican Party and the GOP candidates are a good tell-tale sign. THERE IS NO ONE GOOD!!

All of them try to make Reagan allusions, appear to be hawkish, strong on foreign policy, strong on social issues, strong on immigration. All of the current candidates would make a fine cabinet, but none of them would make a decent president.

I do not see much hope for the GOP in 08 or '10 and '12 for that matter. No GOP candidate has unanimous support from evangelicals, and no GOP will win without their support. I expect this country to become increasingly liberal in the years to come (damn!), at least in Congress and the Executive Branch.

JAD_333 · 07-11-2007, 16:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardian

I am a Republican and work for a Republican politician. I consider myself Libertarian so I do not get bent on whoever the party is pushing or endorsing. We talk often at work about the future of the Republican Party and the GOP candidates are a good tell-tale sign. THERE IS NO ONE GOOD!!

All of them try to make Reagan allusions, appear to be hawkish, strong on foreign policy, strong on social issues, strong on immigration. All of the current candidates would make a fine cabinet, but none of them would make a decent president.

If only we could find a Lincoln; he'd put them all in the cabinet. But I disagree that none of them would make a "decent" president. Perhaps you mean "great". There I would agree with you. In any case, any GOP is more decent than a the current crop of dems.

The only dem I like is Chris Dodd; doesn't always look like he has a lemon up his arse the way the others do.

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I do not see much hope for the GOP in 08 or '10 and '12 for that matter.

Oh hell, yes. For example if Hillary gets nominated, she's no shoo in according to the women in these parts. Kucinich is off the richter scale; the Kennedy clone, Edwards, maybe; Barak, hmmm, he vulnerable to underhanded scare tactics; Richardson, an interesting possibility, very resourceful, but narrow base; who else? Biden, too strident, not likely; Gravel--dark horse, could surprise, but Alaska? -- there you have it.

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No GOP candidate has unanimous support from evangelicals, and no GOP will win without their support.

It's too early to assess the evangelical support; more than likely they'd back the nominee. New poll out shows majority of voters want a deeply religious president. Go figure.

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I expect this country to become increasingly liberal in the years to come (damn!), at least in Congress and the Executive Branch.

Liberal is just a point of view; defining it means knowing what the center is. If you mean we're going to swing left of center over the next few years, you're probably right, but that doesn't mean a dem will get elected; the beauty of the two party is that the pendulum never goes too far in one direction or the other. Either party, however, can ride both ways. Imagine if GOP had a Rockefeller running.

Guardian · 07-11-2007, 19:44 PM

You're right. I was being overly cynical. I was at work when I wrote the post and I had just finished having a conversation about the GOP Convention in St. Paul. My boss will be one of the key speakers. Our office is supporting McCain, and I do not see eye to eye with the man.

You are absolutely right when you say that none of the candidates will make a 'great' president. I am sick and tired of presidents being mediocre.

But here is why I think the GOP has a tough road ahead...

This nation is sick of Bush...especially the left, but increasingly the center and right. It's not all Bush's fault; the media has done wonders destroying the man. But his decisions are going to haunting the US for years to come. We will be paying for these wars for the next 20-30 years. The '08 election will again surround the issue of Iraq. And it couldn't be more perfect for the Dems...this country wants out of Iraq (not me personally, but a large majority of Americans do), the the Dems will push their exit strategy. Dems will be able to diss Bush and the GOP together in the next election because of the lingering problems caused by the Bush Administration.

I agree with your analysis of Hillary, but I somewhat disagree with your opinion of Obama. I am afraid that he will win because he will most likely raise taxes significantly as well as increase welfare benefits to appease his base. Do not underestimate the power of a smart, sharp, handsome black man. He will most certainly carry the majority of the minority votes in the US, as well as liberals who wish to see a non-white president.

And perhaps I may be jumping to conclusions about evangelical support. But maybe not. Evangelicals came out in swarms to vote for Bush because he spoke their language. He is a genuine Christian man and voters on the right love that. Let's look at the current GOP front runners and their reputations:

Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Mormonism is considered a cult to evangelicals. Although he believes in Christ, he also believes in other teachings from the Book of Mormon that are contradictory to evangelical literalist theology.

Rudy Giuliani is divorced, has no relationship with his children (who are adults now), is pro-choice, and used to be a Democrat. HE was the hero after 9/11, but that was six years ago. Evangelicals will vote social issues.

McCain is soft on his immigration policy, is divorced, and cheated on his first wife with his current wife.

Thompson is a shadow man at the moment. We know that he is a consistent conservative, well-spoken, and Reaganesque. I'm not certain about his first wife. I don't know if they divorced or if she died. I don't know. But the trophy wife situation won't help him with evangelicals.

The other candidates are mix and match. Huckabee would be the best bet to swing the evangelical vote, but he doesn't have enough money.

I suppose it is too early to count anyone out. The GOP is certainly under the guillotine. They have to distance themselves from Bush, come up with a new plan for the War on Terror, put the Dems in a hole, and ensure the tax cuts...all to make sure they have a fighting chance come '08.

JAD_333 · 07-11-2007, 20:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Guardian

But here is why I think the GOP has a tough road ahead...

This nation is sick of Bush...especially the left, but increasingly the center and right. It's not all Bush's fault; the media has done wonders destroying the man. But his decisions are going to haunting the US for years to come. We will be paying for these wars for the next 20-30 years.

I know a lot of people are tired of him; he botched Iraq. What should have been a strategic coup is now a mess.

The media make a feast out of every president. Kennedy got plenty of lumps in his time and so did Reagan.

Bush's decisions may haunt us, IF we give up on Iraq. I'm not sure what you mean by we'll be paying for these wars for the next 20-30 years. Perhaps Shek can enlighten us on the economic outcome

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The '08 election will again surround the issue of Iraq.

Depends on who is running, where things stand in Iraq, whether OBL keeps a low profile or strikes again, what Iran does on nuclear issue, so on. Hillary voted for the war. Obama didn't. If Hillary is the nominee, she won't want to draw much attention to her role.

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I agree with your analysis of Hillary, but I somewhat disagree with your opinion of Obama.

I didn't give an opinion of Obama. I'm still not sure about him. A bit too righteous, but let's be realistic. The more he appears to be playing to the black audience, the more white votes he loses. He has a tough road ahead of him.

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I am afraid that he will win because he will most likely raise taxes significantly as well as increase welfare benefits to appease his base.

Good gawd. Raise taxes, maybe, but increase welfare benefits. That would be bye bye Obama. The base you're talking about isn't big enough and besides, we've been there before. The last thing Obama wants is to be a candidate wrapped in black--a Rev. Jackson or what's his name.

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Do not underestimate the power of a smart, sharp, handsome black man.

You mean like Adrian Fenty the new mayor of DC? Finally a black mayor who is picking the best people for top jobs, even if a few too many are white or Korean. The local blacks are concerned...concerned? That's the kind of America many whites who might consider voting for Obama don't want. Amercia didn't desegragate so there could be a black party and a white party.

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He will most certainly carry the majority of the minority votes in the US, as well as liberals who wish to see a non-white president.

Probably, but not necessarily the hispanic vote. The average hispanic is not impressed by blacks because they see so many black drug dealers in their neighborhoods.

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And perhaps I may be jumping to conclusions about evangelical support. But maybe not. Evangelicals came out in swarms to vote for Bush because he spoke their language. He is a genuine Christian man and voters on the right love that. Let's look at the current GOP front runners and their reputations:

Are they going to vote for a democrat? Not likely. There's your answer.

JAD_333 · 08-16-2007, 23:15 PM

I am starting to like this guy. We may yet have an interesting campiagn.

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Fred Thompson's Gamble

By David S. Broder
Thursday, August 16, 2007

When Fred Thompson makes his long-delayed entrance into the Republican presidential race, he will not tiptoe quietly. Instead, he will try to shake up the establishment candidates of both parties by depicting a nation in peril from fiscal and security threats -- and prescribing tough cures that he says others shrink from offering.

In a two-hour conversation over coffee at a restaurant near his Virginia headquarters, the former senator from Tennessee said that when he joins the battle next month, he "will take some risks that others are not willing to take, in terms of forcing a dialogue on our entitlement situation, our military situation and what it's going to cost" to ensure the nation's future.

After spending most of the past few years on TV's "Law and Order," and starting a new family, with two children under 4, the 65-year-old lawyer says he finds himself motivated for the first time to seek the White House.

"There's no reason for me to run just to be president," he said. "I don't desire the emoluments of the office. I don't want to live a lie and clever my way to the nomination or election. But if you can put your ideas out there -- different, more far-reaching ideas -- that is worth doing."

Thompson, like many of the others running, has caught a strong whiff of the public disillusionment with both parties in Washington -- and the partisanship that has infected Congress, helping to speed his own departure from the Senate.

But he says he thinks the public is looking for a different kind of leadership. "I think a president could go to the American people and say, 'Here's what we need to be doing. And I'm willing to go halfway. Now you have to make them [the opposition] go halfway.' "

The approach Thompson says he's contemplating is one that will step on many sensitive political toes. When he says "we're getting a free ride" fighting a necessary war in Iraq with an undersized military establishment, "wearing out our people and equipment," it sounds like a criticism of the president and the Pentagon.

When he says he would have opposed adding the prescription drug benefit to Medicare, "a $17 trillion add-on to a program that's going bankrupt," he is fighting the bipartisan judgment of the last Congress.

When he says the FBI is perhaps incapable of morphing itself into the smart domestic security agency the country needs, he is attacking another sacred cow.

Thompson repeatedly cites two texts as fueling his concern about the country's future. One is "Government at the Brink," a two-volume report he issued as chairman of the Senate Governmental Affairs Committee at the start of the Bush administration in 2001 and handed to the new president's budget director as a checklist of urgent management problems.

The difficulties outlined in federal procurement, personnel, finances and information technology remain, Thompson said, and increasingly "threaten national security."

His second sourcebook contains the scary reports from Comptroller General David Walker, the head of the Government Accountability Office, on the long-term fiscal crisis spawned by the aging of the American population and the runaway costs of health care. Walker labels the current patterns of federal spending "unsustainable" and warns that unless action is taken soon to improve both sides of the government's fiscal ledger -- spending and revenue -- the next generation will suffer.

"Nobody in Congress or on either side in the presidential race wants to deal with it," Thompson said. "So we just rock along and try to maintain the status quo. Republicans say keep the tax cuts; Democrats say keep the entitlements. And we become a less unified country in the process, with a tax code that has become an unholy mess, and all we do is tinker around the edges."

Thompson readily concedes that he does not know "where all those chips are going to fall" when he starts challenging members of various interest groups to look beyond their individual agendas and weigh the sacrifices that could ensure a better future for their children.

But these issues -- national security and the fiscal crisis of an aging society with runaway heath-care costs -- "are worth a portion of a man's life. If I can't get elected talking that way, I probably don't deserve to be elected."

Thompson says he feels "free to do it" his own way, and that freedom may just be enough to shake up the presidential race.

**Julie** · 08-18-2007, 17:09 PM

I read that Thompson was mobbed in Iowa by potential voters. He definitely has a huge fan club.

Why is this poll already closed?

**Parihaka** · 08-18-2007, 18:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Julie

I read that Thompson was mobbed in Iowa by potential voters. He definitely has a huge fan club.

Why is this poll already closed?

Dunno. I closed off the old one because it was getting spammed by Ron Paul supporters (long story) but this one should still be running

**Julie** · 08-18-2007, 18:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Parihaka

Dunno. I closed off the old one because it was getting spammed by Ron Paul supporters (long story) but this one should still be running

Okay, I see you fixed it. Thanks.

View Poll Results: New poll - Favorite Republican Candidate
Sam Brownback - senior senator - Kansas	1	3.23%
Rudy Giuliani - former mayor - New York City	6	19.35%
Mike Huckabee - former governor - Arkansas	1	3.23%
John McCain - senior senator - Arizona	3	9.68%
Mitt Romney - former governor - Massachusetts	2	6.45%
Tommy Thompson - former governor - Wisconsin	1	3.23%
Ron Paul - congressman - Texas	8	25.81%
Fred Thompson - former senator - Tennessee	9	29.03%
Voters: 31. You may not vote on this poll

07-05-2007, 14:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
Matt Salla Banished Join Date: 05-27-07 Location: Palm Harbor, FL Posts: 4 Country:	Ron Paul is still my choice How could anyone change horses in midstream? All the candidates' speeches, views and voting records are out on the Internet. Isn't that enough when deciding who to vote for? Ron Paul is very much like Reagan. Or at least Reagan had some great things to say about Dr. Ron Paul. Please watch the clip and see. Last edited by Parihaka : 07-09-2007 at 18:28 PM.

07-11-2007, 15:06 PM	#23 (permalink)
Guardian Regular Join Date: 02-08-07 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 56 Country:	I am a Republican and work for a Republican politician. I consider myself Libertarian so I do not get bent on whoever the party is pushing or endorsing. We talk often at work about the future of the Republican Party and the GOP candidates are a good tell-tale sign. THERE IS NO ONE GOOD!! All of them try to make Reagan allusions, appear to be hawkish, strong on foreign policy, strong on social issues, strong on immigration. All of the current candidates would make a fine cabinet, but none of them would make a decent president. I do not see much hope for the GOP in 08 or '10 and '12 for that matter. No GOP candidate has unanimous support from evangelicals, and no GOP will win without their support. I expect this country to become increasingly liberal in the years to come (damn!), at least in Congress and the Executive Branch. __________________ The history of the world is but the biography of great men. -Thomas Carlyle

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dalem Lord High Hullabalooster *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 11-23-04 Location: Columbia Heights, MN Posts: 8,153 Country:	Newt's not Presidential. Good in an advisor role. -dale

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07-11-2007, 19:44 PM	#25 (permalink)
Guardian Regular Join Date: 02-08-07 Location: Minneapolis Posts: 56 Country:	You're right. I was being overly cynical. I was at work when I wrote the post and I had just finished having a conversation about the GOP Convention in St. Paul. My boss will be one of the key speakers. Our office is supporting McCain, and I do not see eye to eye with the man. You are absolutely right when you say that none of the candidates will make a 'great' president. I am sick and tired of presidents being mediocre. But here is why I think the GOP has a tough road ahead... This nation is sick of Bush...especially the left, but increasingly the center and right. It's not all Bush's fault; the media has done wonders destroying the man. But his decisions are going to haunting the US for years to come. We will be paying for these wars for the next 20-30 years. The '08 election will again surround the issue of Iraq. And it couldn't be more perfect for the Dems...this country wants out of Iraq (not me personally, but a large majority of Americans do), the the Dems will push their exit strategy. Dems will be able to diss Bush and the GOP together in the next election because of the lingering problems caused by the Bush Administration. I agree with your analysis of Hillary, but I somewhat disagree with your opinion of Obama. I am afraid that he will win because he will most likely raise taxes significantly as well as increase welfare benefits to appease his base. Do not underestimate the power of a smart, sharp, handsome black man. He will most certainly carry the majority of the minority votes in the US, as well as liberals who wish to see a non-white president. And perhaps I may be jumping to conclusions about evangelical support. But maybe not. Evangelicals came out in swarms to vote for Bush because he spoke their language. He is a genuine Christian man and voters on the right love that. Let's look at the current GOP front runners and their reputations: Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Mormonism is considered a cult to evangelicals. Although he believes in Christ, he also believes in other teachings from the Book of Mormon that are contradictory to evangelical literalist theology. Rudy Giuliani is divorced, has no relationship with his children (who are adults now), is pro-choice, and used to be a Democrat. HE was the hero after 9/11, but that was six years ago. Evangelicals will vote social issues. McCain is soft on his immigration policy, is divorced, and cheated on his first wife with his current wife. Thompson is a shadow man at the moment. We know that he is a consistent conservative, well-spoken, and Reaganesque. I'm not certain about his first wife. I don't know if they divorced or if she died. I don't know. But the trophy wife situation won't help him with evangelicals. The other candidates are mix and match. Huckabee would be the best bet to swing the evangelical vote, but he doesn't have enough money. I suppose it is too early to count anyone out. The GOP is certainly under the guillotine. They have to distance themselves from Bush, come up with a new plan for the War on Terror, put the Dems in a hole, and ensure the tax cuts...all to make sure they have a fighting chance come '08.

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