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Old 04-04-2007, 14:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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House Democrats Offer Plan to Ban Use of 'Global War on Terror'

Interesting story. I agree that the name GWOT is a misnomer, and that something more definitive is required. I wonder what the reasoning behind this move is. If it's to develop a more fitting title, then I'm all for it. If it's a purely political move and instead uses titles that diminish the coordinated nature required of the effort, then it's a move in the wrong direction.

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FOXNews.com - House Democrats Offer Plan to Ban Use of 'Global War on Terror' - Politics | Republican Party | Democratic Party | Political Spectrum

House Democrats Offer Plan to Ban Use of 'Global War on Terror'
Wednesday, April 04, 2007

WASHINGTON — House Minority Leader John Boehner blasted a Democrat-backed plan on Wednesday to ban the use of "global War on Terror" and "long war" in the 2008 defense budget bill.

A memo sent to Democratic staffers on the House Armed Services Committee instructed the aides not to use the specific phrases, the Military Times newspaper reported.

Boehner accused Democrats of launching an "absurd effort to deny the fact that America is battling terrorism on a global scale," according to a statement released Wednesday by his office.

"How do Democrats expect America to fight and win a war they deny is even taking place?" Boehner said.

Democratic leaders in the House Armed Services Committee don't like the phrases and want defense policy to be more specific and "avoid using colloquialisms," according to the report.

The memo, sent out on March 27, calls for specific references to specific operations instead of phrases used by the Bush administration.

President Bush began using the "global War on Terror" phrase after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

The memo offers replacement phrases such as "war in Iraq," "war in Afghanistan," "operations in the Horn of Africa" or "ongoing operations throughout the world."

Boehner said Democrats have a "dismal" national security record with efforts to push through non-binding resolutions against President Bush's Iraq plan, adding pork-barrel spending in unrelated legislation and leaving the nation's capital for a recess without passing legislation backed by the president with funding for U.S. troops.

"It's no wonder Democrats don't like the phrases 'global War on Terror,' they have completely failed to take the threat of global terrorism seriously," Boehner said.

Republicans weren't consulted about the changes, said Josh Holly, a spokesman for Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., ranking member of the committee.

FOX News' Molly Hooper contributed to this report.
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Old 04-04-2007, 14:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The Democrats are finishing the destruction of their ability to be trusted on National Security at a record pace.

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Old 04-04-2007, 14:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Global War on Terror is all semantics and hogwash.

Nothing is being done to the womb of terrorism - the madrassas of Pakistan.

NATO and US troops are being killed in Afghanistan at will.
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Every terrorist action is emanating from Pakistani madrassas, that is, if the US media is to be believed.

So, where is this a War on Terror?

Keeping the womb of terror alive and kicking is a War?

If so, it is a funny war where one allow her own troops to be killed and yet call it a War against those who are killing US citizens and soldiers!

Or maybe it is actually a War on Terror and the US media and the international media is lying!
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Its definitely not "fair and balanced," the whole thing being John Boehner's retort to a Democratic memo (and no doubt part of the higher Fox agenda to roil viewers against the pork-filled budget bill put forward by the majority Dems in Congress). But I gotta hand it to conservatives; they're much more feisty than Dems when they're in the minority. This is a good example of Republican-jabbing at the Dems' politically-poisonous "soft spot" (weak on terror)that will cost them the '08 elections if they can't jujitsu their way around such politicing.

At least Fox's transparent political agenda serves well to impassion Americans about their government. Over at the NYTimes all we catch is the distant-observer color commentary of how the real issue, the budget bill, (half-relavantly) compares to 1995. Just an audience, us American citizens. We should applaud when this democratic show ends.
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What are you talking about?

You sound like a liberal "intellectual" using a bunch of metaphors and big words to make yourself sound more credible.

Simple question for this issue: if not "global war on terror" then what?
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I'll have to post a suggestion that a book in my office made. Meanwhile, here's an old post on the subject, http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/int...hats-name.html.
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I'll have to post a suggestion that a book in my office made. Meanwhile, here's an old post on the subject, http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/int...hats-name.html.
LOL, I killed that thread off didn't I?
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Might I suggest as an alternative - "Super Karate Monkey Death Car"?

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Its definitely not "fair and balanced," the whole thing being John Boehner's retort to a Democratic memo (and no doubt part of the higher Fox agenda to roil viewers against the pork-filled budget bill put forward by the majority Dems in Congress). But I gotta hand it to conservatives; they're much more feisty than Dems when they're in the minority. This is a good example of Republican-jabbing at the Dems' politically-poisonous "soft spot" (weak on terror)that will cost them the '08 elections if they can't jujitsu their way around such politicing.

At least Fox's transparent political agenda serves well to impassion Americans about their government. Over at the NYTimes all we catch is the distant-observer color commentary of how the real issue, the budget bill, (half-relavantly) compares to 1995. Just an audience, us American citizens. We should applaud when this democratic show ends.
That might be the most BS ridden post i've ever seen outside of some of thr blatant trollery we're often subjected to.

Try posting without the big words and lame metaphors, so then we might think you know what you're talking about (unlikely though).
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What's difficult to understand the post?

Big words?'

Like?

But then Americans tend to resort to hyerbole and use words and sentences that could mean anything

Give the chap a chance.

Attack the message and not the messenger is what I read so frequently on this forum!

It does not mean that I endorse his post.

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The war on the khawarij is the title suggested by Dr. Habeck in her book Amazon.com: Knowing the Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror: Books: Mary Habeck. The khawarij were a heterodox sect that claimed they were the only true believers (much like AQ ideology) and that other Muslim sects were non-believers who therefore apostates and subject to being killed (much like AQ). Such a title could gain traction within the Muslim world and discredit AQ ideology as heterodox as well.
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The Democrats are finishing the destruction of their ability to be trusted on National Security at a record pace.

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And the Republicans are finishing the destruction of their ability to be trusted on National Security like the leaking of a CIA agent; FBI misuse of confidential data, and mostly, not being able to find more than one way to skin a cat.
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The war on the khawarij is the title suggested by Dr. Habeck in her book Amazon.com: Knowing the Enemy: Jihadist Ideology and the War on Terror: Books: Mary Habeck. The khawarij were a heterodox sect that claimed they were the only true believers (much like AQ ideology) and that other Muslim sects were non-believers who therefore apostates and subject to being killed (much like AQ). Such a title could gain traction within the Muslim world and discredit AQ ideology as heterodox as well.
The whole problem for it is that there's this desire for a single term to cover a whole raft of issues. The actual GWOT is a whole series of tailor-made solutions to region specific issues, one overarching term is by nature going to sound facile.
Also the war is adapting as new tactics are employed by all sides, so GWOT now sounds simplistic. The new name should be based in the reality that there are multiple levels to it and multiple strategies needed.
If anything 'hearts and minds' applies better than war on terror. It's got me puzzling actually.
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