Originally Posted by Stan187

No. It certainly wasn't for my family.

Originally Posted by Parihaka

Well actually I'd say that Islam is sadly becoming more and more isolated from the rest of the planet. Maybe that's because a significant proportion of the countries ruled by Islam aren't tolerant, accepting and inclusive.

Originally Posted by steven lloyd

Or just as likely, by continuing to alienate more and more Muslims (and other people around the world), you feed the movement and one day find you’ve accomplished nothing other than further alienating yourself from the rest of the planet. Oops. Sorry. That’s already happening isn’t it?

Originally Posted by steven lloyd

If our civilization still exists 1000 years from now we will be. Either that or we'll be living in caves again. It starts today with the people here. Which direction do you want to go?

Originally Posted by steven lloyd

I absolutely agree with your first statement, making your second statement quite the presumption (but true to demanstrated character so far). It might come as a suprise to you that outside of the United States, George Bush and current American foriegn policy is overwhelmingly seen as the greatest threat to global peace.

Originally Posted by Parihaka

LOL, three Moderators, an Administrator and our chief Hullabalooster.
I wonder if he feels put upon

Originally Posted by TopHatter

Can't argue with that. But I hardly think that you can single out Americans for those two issues.

NOBODY trusts what they do not understand and a LOT of people don't understand Islam.

Originally Posted by steven lloyd

Suggesting all Muslims think this way is akin to suggesting all Christians get together Saturday nights while wearing white hooded robes to burn crosses and hang black people.

Originally Posted by Parihaka

LOL, three Moderators, an Administrator and our chief Hullabalooster.
I wonder if he feels put upon

Originally Posted by dave lukins

Pari did you say he should be put down!!?? or hes that old he should be??LOL

Originally Posted by wabpilot

We are talking about an American Presidential election. If Obama were seeking the Presidency of Turkey, his Islamic background would not be much of an issue. He's not, it is, if for only the reason that the majority of Americans do not understand Islam.

Originally Posted by CMartel

I know, small percentage, thats what they tell me. And only a small percentage of Nazis were working the Concentration Camps.

What bothers me is that the small percentage, taken out of a billion people, seem to be the really motivated ones. And while the KKK would have nearly an impossible time justifying their activities with words of Jesus, OBL can justify his way with a pretty straightforward interpretation of the words of mohammed and his koran. I don't know if that is why the jihadists seem not to generate a lot of active opposition in their world. Maybe its just too hard to argue from a islamic perspective that what they are doing is "wrong."

In contrast, its a piece of cake to argue against the the few odd abortionist killers who might be doing what they are doing in the name of Christ.



Are any Christian's gathering together on Saturday nights while wearing white hooded robes to burn crosses and hang black people?

Originally Posted by TopHatter

I certainly hope not.
Given the subject matter, there are no titles or ranks here. The fact that some of us have pretty colors in our names means nothing vis-à-vis the debate we're engaging in.

Originally Posted by Parihaka

I thought it meant it was his job title in real life and he was like a middle order executive in a company or something

Originally Posted by dalem

False choice. I'm going in the direction I've always gone - liberal democracy with a burgeoning base of scientific knowledge that serves to help all people achieve their maximum potential.