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Old 01-21-2007, 16:13 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Major difference: By and large Christians will arrest the perp, drag 'em into court, and send them to prison...
Don't say that too loudly, that's a dirty little secret.

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It took almost 180 years for a Roman Catholic to win the Presidency and there were questions about his allegiance to to Pope.
Uh yeah, back in 1960 that sort of thing was common. But this is 36 years later and the it's almost a completely different country when it comes to what is controversial and what is not.

I'd love to see how much controversy a Catholic candidate would cause today, specifically because of his Catholicism. Answer? None. As Dale said about Muslim candidates, nobody cares about that sort of thing anymore.


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Americans do not trust what they do not understand. In America today, people do not understand Islam.
Can't argue with that. But I hardly think that you can single out Americans for those two issues.

NOBODY trusts what they do not understand and a LOT of people don't understand Islam.
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Old 01-21-2007, 16:20 PM   #62 (permalink)
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The United States cannot continue to isolate itself further from the rest of the world.
You mean the US is joining the rest of the world. In case you haven't noticed, the Muslim world, though not united and through causes other than religion, is at war with Russia, India, and China.
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Old 01-21-2007, 16:41 PM   #63 (permalink)
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making your second statement quite the presumption (but true to demanstrated character so far). It might come as a suprise to you that outside of the United States, George Bush and current American foriegn policy is overwhelmingly seen as the greatest threat to global peace.
It was a presumtion, thanks for confirming it.
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I mean, we will evolve one way or another, but are you suggesting you would like to see human society become even more intolerant, divided and marginalized? Again, I would suggest that if we don't start to collectively develop the attitudes of tolerance, acceptance and inclusiveness, the remaining time of our civilization on this planet will be short-lived.
What I'm suggesting is that our greatest survival trait is adaptability.
Tolerance, acceptance and inclusiveness are a useful part of the grab-bag of survival traits which we have in abundance already but are not the only ones, being merciless when required is also extremely useful.
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Or just as likely, by continuing to alienate more and more Muslims (and other people around the world), you feed the movement and one day find you’ve accomplished nothing other than further alienating yourself from the rest of the planet. Oops. Sorry. That’s already happening isn’t it?
Well actually I'd say that Islam is sadly becoming more and more isolated from the rest of the planet. Maybe that's because a significant proportion of the countries ruled by Islam aren't tolerant, accepting and inclusive.
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Old 01-21-2007, 16:55 PM   #66 (permalink)
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It was a presumtion, thanks for confirming it.
Hmmm. I agree with your first statement, and you figure that confirms your second statement. Wow. That's quite the demonstration of reasoning.
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Hmmm. I agree with your first statement, and you figure that confirms your second statement. Wow. That's quite the demonstration of reasoning.
Reread just what I quoted, then my reply, maybe you'll understand.
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Clue: I didn't quote your agreement, thus was not talking about that.
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Old 01-21-2007, 16:59 PM   #69 (permalink)
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What I'm suggesting is that our greatest survival trait is adaptability. Tolerance, acceptance and inclusiveness are a useful part of the grab-bag of survival traits which we have in abundance already but are not the only ones, being merciless when required is also extremely useful.

I would agree with most of this except for the suggestion that tolerance, acceptance and inclusiveness are traits we have in abundance. Perhaps individually in some cases, but being demonstrated less and less collectively.
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Clue: I didn't quote your agreement, thus was not talking about that.
And failing to acknowledge my agreement led to your error in reasoning.
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And failing to acknowledge my agreement led to your error in reasoning.
LOL I could try to explain it to you, but if you reread and still don't understand what I said, you never will.
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LOL I could try to explain it to you, but if you reread and still don't understand what I said, you never will.
Well, unless you're saying it was good to take out the Taliban and the Baath and pressure others. But from your posts I must assume you're in the group you were talking about in the bit I quoted.
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I would agree with most of this except for the suggestion that tolerance, acceptance and inclusiveness are traits we have in abundance. Perhaps individually in some cases, but being demonstrated less and less collectively.
I'll isolate this to the west and say, how do you account for the massive influx of immigrants from so-called third world countries into western countries over the last fifty years, ongoing to this day?
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I'll isolate this to the west and say, how do you account for the massive influx of immigrants from so-called third world countries into western countries over the last fifty years, ongoing to this day?
And why so many of these immigrants leave their homelands. It ain't all about $$$.
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And why so many of these immigrants leave their homelands. It ain't all about $$$.
No. It certainly wasn't for my family. But, on the other hand, it does play a very big part in it. It's usually either the first or second foremost consideration of potential immigrants.
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