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Old 01-20-2007, 20:07 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Obama made a good quote the other day....He said "The Democratic-controlled Congress would not undercut troops already in Iraq but would explore ways to restrict the president from expanding the mission"...... "We're not going to baby sit a civil war,"
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Old 01-20-2007, 20:27 PM   #32 (permalink)
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So you, the great morally superior Canadian, are justified in stereotyping Americans because some Americans stereotype Muslims?
Actually, a careful read of my post reveals I wasn’t stereotyping Americans in general at all. I know many Americans with much more progressive views than displayed in those last few posts, and I know there are many more. I was simply pointing out that those last few responses fit the stereotypical picture many people in the world have of Americans in general. After all, the more tolerant and progressive thinkers tend to be quieter, and most of the world only has American foreign and corporate policy, and the more outrageous and extremist right-wing statements (such as just made here) on which to base their opinion.
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Old 01-21-2007, 00:03 AM   #33 (permalink)
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I find it ironic that those who are most likely to label themselves as progressive and tolerant thinkers are most likely to defend the most intolerant and backward religion in the world.

Convert, submit, or die. Try and find the nuance of that mission statement.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:01 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Simply put, there is too much that is odd about Obama; he's half-black, he has a funny name, and now he apparently was educated in a madrasa? Even I'm a bit uncomfortable, and I sincerely doubt I could be labelled as "intolerant."
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:19 AM   #35 (permalink)
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i hope that was sarcasm.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:41 AM   #36 (permalink)
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I find it ironic that those who are most likely to label themselves as progressive and tolerant thinkers are most likely to defend the most intolerant and backward religion in the world. Convert, submit, or die. Try and find the nuance of that mission statement.
Of course you understand this is the mantra of extremist fundamentalists that represent a very small portion of the entire population that consider themselves Muslim. Suggesting all Muslims think this way is akin to suggesting all Christians get together Saturday nights while wearing white hooded robes to burn crosses and hang black people. In fact, many Christian groups are quite judgmental and intolerant regarding many issues. I suppose though you would prefer a racist homophobic who wants to realize the prophecies of Armageddon in the White House over a moderate Muslim.
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Old 01-21-2007, 01:59 AM   #37 (permalink)
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I guess you've missed the cartoons then.
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Old 01-21-2007, 02:34 AM   #38 (permalink)
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i hope that was sarcasm.
There's a certain amount of comfort with the status quo.
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Old 01-21-2007, 03:20 AM   #39 (permalink)
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There's a certain amount of comfort with the status quo.
Evolution – including social, cultural and political evolution is inevitable. We will either evolve collectively as a species (ie. become more tolerant, accepting and inclusive), or will become extinct collectively as a species (ie. continue to accept the status quo). Unfortunately, without a significant paradigm shift, the time of our civilization on this planet is quickly coming to its end.
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Old 01-21-2007, 04:43 AM   #40 (permalink)
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Soon Muslim's going to be a curse word/insult in some countries :D
You can thank radical terrorism for that....
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Old 01-21-2007, 04:45 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Evolution – including social, cultural and political evolution is inevitable. We will either evolve collectively as a species (ie. become more tolerant, accepting and inclusive), or will become extinct collectively as a species (ie. continue to accept the status quo). Unfortunately, without a significant paradigm shift, the time of our civilization on this planet is quickly coming to its end.
Maybe you could explain why my understanding of the overwhelming message coming from Muslims the world over for the last decade as "our way or death and destruction" is ignorant?

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Old 01-21-2007, 05:03 AM   #42 (permalink)
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I'd also like to know how tolerance, acceptance and inclusiveness are preconditions for evolution
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Old 01-21-2007, 08:35 AM   #43 (permalink)
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im well aware and im sure all of you are also......that its a matter of course for competing politicians, of both parties, to assassinate the characters of thier rivals thru any and every means possible. this is the process diverting attention from actually having to address key issues with what can be clinically and scientifically deemed "bull$hit", dragging the very spirit of democracy into self-parody, sending the whole practice of electing representitives of our government into a complete state of stupidity from which rational thought seldom returns.

so my response to this article is..............so what???


so what if he atttended a madrassa school at a young age????

so what if he was exposed<this word almost makes it seem like an airborne disease or something.....oh noes.....EXPOSED>to whabbyism for like a few years??

didnt really have a choice in the matter, ultimately, seeing that he was like 10years old. and i dont think that education reflects in the public record of things he said and done and key issues he supports as a politician.

what would super cool is we actually talk about the things he stands for........the things he done as a politician which is easy obtainable and available info for public discourse.

cover-up???

its not like he killed somebody here, ladies and germs. obviously he downplayed the nature of the school, its not like he killed and ate another human being just for kicks.

OMG, his name is hussien. OMG,OMG,OMG,OMFG......OH NO!!!11........OH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!11111
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Old 01-21-2007, 13:49 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Maybe you could explain why my understanding of the overwhelming message coming from Muslims the world over for the last decade as "our way or death and destruction" is ignorant?
ignorant 1: lacking knowledge, 2: resulting from or showing lack of knowledge.

Your understanding that the message you have posted comes from “Muslims the world over” shows lack of knowledge. The message you refer to comes from an extremist subgroup of Muslim radicals, and in fact, represents the attitude of a very small percentage of Muslims the world over. The sad thing is that this isn’t really some profound secret, but something that could, and really should be easily known.

Again, suggesting all Muslims think the way you propose is akin to suggesting all Christians get together Saturday nights while wearing white hooded robes to burn crosses and hang black people. This idea would also demonstrate a lack of knowledge as the vast majority of Christians obviously do no such thing.
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Old 01-21-2007, 13:56 PM   #45 (permalink)
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The message you refer to comes from an extremist subgroup of Muslim radicals
And the billion doing nothing to stop them, often even making excuses for them. Not to mention the national support from their countries.
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