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Originally Posted by Praxus
The moral is that which preserves and enhances your life qua man.
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Morals
can enhance ones life, but they do not enhance everyone's life. Also, morals do not preserve life. Shrewd calculation and prudent choices can preserve life. Morals are nice for a lot of people, but they are certainly not a requirement for the preservation of life.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
I said, that being with other moral men, is moral.
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This isn't true either. You know I can just keep on thinking of counterexamples for all of this stuff. One could be with other moral men, but still be immoral (i.e. secretly stealing from all the monks). To make to statement true, you have to add that one has to be with moral people
and be moral. But then the statement becomes a tautology, and we see that we don't need other men to be moral.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
That is to say it enhances your life qua man (through the philosophical, scientific, emotional, and economic advances that come via society). I never claimed that it makes you act moral, only that itself is moral.
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You said:
"Premise 2: Associating with other moral people is moral"
You did claim that associating with moral people is a moral action, you can't then say that such association entails no moral action on our part. By definition, one is committing a moral act (i.e. acting morally) by associating with moral people, if you stipulate that associating with moral people is moral.
I'll be more in favor of an argument that says that morals are often beneficial or useful, thats fine. But I won't accept many of the absolute moral statements that you are making.
How is associating with moral people a moral act? Anyway, I think we might devolve into semantics soon.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
So then you must admit, everything you say "can't hold up".
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What? Everything I've ever said? I don't understand this. RIght now, I won't be admitting that everything I say "can't hold up." Haha.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
Not just to live, but to live as a man. A being free to use his own reason to pursue his own happiness.
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So you forced to redefine living as 'living with dignity'? What if a man desires immoral goals, such as glory and violence in battle?