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Old 12-10-2005, 17:08 PM   #203 (permalink)
Praxus
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Originally Posted by barrowaj
Then go move to any other country that you please to. You are free to do so.
I have a right to property. You have leaving me two choices. To stay and face your persecution, or to give up my property, and flee the country.

No, there isn't any coercion in that

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Well, its the commonly held belief by historians that the new deal is what got us out of the depression, so I think that the burden of proof is on you, not me.
The burden of proof is on he who asserts the positive. It is not on he who refutes what is popular.

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I'm all with you, except that we have a moral obligation to provide healthcare for those that can't afford it.
Where is this "moral obligation" derived from?

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Even the most right wing of republicans aren't about to take away medicare and medicaid. So since we are going to have it we might as well make the rest of healthcare as good as we can. And oh, did I mention that medicare has a lower overhead than insurance companies? (13% vs. 33%). That's right insurance companies waste more money than medicare.
Or we could fight against what is wrong.

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I don't know about "significantly" but yes, if you get cancer you have a better chance of surviving it in the US, provided you have health insurance, medicare, medicaid, or can afford the payments out of pocket. This is because our government funds a lot of cancer research, and we have new strategies for dealing with cancer.
Show me, how many innovations that Government funded research comes up with, as compared to Privately funded research. You think that everything good comes from the Government, when that assertion is arbitrary at best.

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I don't advocate any kind of violence against people. Thats completely untrue. If you want to be a citizen of the US, then pay taxes and do so. If you'd rather not then you don't have to.
What happens if I don't want to pay those extra taxes to fund your social experiment? That's right, the Government comes, takes my property by force, and arrests me. If I resist this gross violation of my rights, through force, they will kill me.

Socialism is based upon violence.
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