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Originally Posted by Praxus
They are mixed economies. Oh and socialism is something that can be forced on people. This is evident by the fact that it is being forced upone me.
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Then go move to any other country that you please to. You are free to do so.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
You hold that, aye? Well prove it.
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Well, its the commonly held belief by historians that the new deal is what got us out of the depression, so I think that the burden of proof is on you, not me.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
Everyone has private healthcare providers to some extent except for people on the dole. The cost for socialized medicine, even though it is only for the poor and elderly, per capita, costs just as much as private medicine per capita. So tell me now, which is more costly. You must also remember the effect of lawsuits on doctors insurence costs, which in turn, drastically rise prices. The best thing to do is to limit lawsuit rewards, excepting gross negligence, and get rid of welfare.
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I'm all with you, except that we have a moral obligation to provide healthcare for those that can't afford it. Even the most right wing of republicans aren't about to take away medicare and medicaid. So since we are going to have it we might as well make the rest of healthcare as good as we can. And oh, did I mention that medicare has a lower overhead than insurance companies? (13% vs. 33%). That's right insurance companies waste more money than medicare.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
If you get a major afliction, you have a significantly better chance of survival in the United States, then you do in the "best" of countries with total socialized healthcare.
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I don't know about "significantly" but yes, if you get cancer you have a better chance of surviving it in the US, provided you have health insurance, medicare, medicaid, or can afford the payments out of pocket. This is because our government funds a lot of cancer research, and we have new strategies for dealing with cancer.
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Originally Posted by Praxus
You forget that what you advocate is violence against those who do not want to participate in your social experiment.
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I don't advocate any kind of violence against people. Thats completely untrue. If you want to be a citizen of the US, then pay taxes and do so. If you'd rather not then you don't have to.