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The FDA action I am proposing targets certain products, not people.
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How are you going to get inanimate objects to pay taxes?
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Of course, a certain amount of discrimination may arise.
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LOL, so now you agree...
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From what I understand, you must also consider drug users and cigarette addicts discriminated against. Is this not true?
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Yes, as I've said several times. Probably after each time you brought it up.
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If we cry 'discrimination' at every single government action, not much will get done.
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Only the things that do not harm people will get done. And that's the whole point, government is there to protect your rights. Anything else is a degree of tyrrany.
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U.S. residents are not allowed to have homicidal, kleptomaniacal, or destructive habits.
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Because it harms the rights of others, just as your taxes would.
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A government that turns a blind eye to its people's habits is doomed to failure.
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A government that punishes people who have not harmed anyone's rights is a tyranny. Pol Pot...
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My approach targets the market, not people. It is preemptive, not post facto.
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An attack on the market costs who money? The people. Take it today, tomorrow, or a year from now, it's still descrimination.
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No. Is that another Seinfeld episode?
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No. It's your suggestion.
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Sometimes, that necessity does exist.
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No, the need to attack people who have done nothing to harm anyone's rights does not exist. If you believe it does, then we're closer to the corner than I thought.
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Well, then they should have built a direct democracy!
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The tyrrany of the majority. Democracy is one vote away from death camps.
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One might argue cynically that many people don't know what is best for them anyway
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All of this is fine, until they want something of yours right? Rap music causes crime, just look at the rappers...
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Allowing the FDA to watch certain harmful foods does not lead to slavery or despotism or anything like that.
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Watching? No it doesn't. Doing something descriminatory? Yes it does.
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I recognize your fears, but I think you overestimate the danger that things like tax incentives and FDA food labels pose to our great republic.
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Every step, is one step closer. "Making the Jews wear a star on their sleve doesn't really do anything."
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Yeah, well ol' T.J. also kept more than a hundred slaves, so all his ramblings on liberty need to be taken lightly.
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You were the one speaking of their motives...
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Again, this quote is not needed.
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It fits perfectly. Motives of our forefathers, remember? Your lack of understanding does not change that.
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The Articles of Confederation were a failure.
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We're here...
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The Articles supported the Congressional direction of the Continental Army, and allowed the Thirteen Colonies to present a unified front when dealing with the European powers. But as an instrument of government, they were largely a failure. Congress could make decisions, but had no power to enforce them.
Perhaps the most important power that Congress was denied was the power of taxation: Congress could only request money from the states. Understandably, the states did not generally comply with the requests in full, leaving the confederation chronically short of funds. The states and the national congress had both incurred debts during the war, and paying congressional debts became a major issue.
Shay's Rebellion (1786-87) was caused largely by the huge debt that the government under the Articles of Confederation was unable to solve. Thus, the payment devolved onto those farmers that could least afford to pay it. This sparked rebellion and forced a reassesment of the Articles.
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I never said it was perfect, and none of this addresses any of the successes I listed.
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I have interpreted this as a tendency towards powerless government.
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This is helpful, don't read more than is written.
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I'd like to see your response on this point.
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I allready have. Do you read my posts? Descrimination is wrong.
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it is very light and consequential, as I have stated above.
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Descrimination is descrimination. A bigot is a bigot.
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I will ignore all future references to Pol Pot or any other dictators in context of this thread.
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For quite obvious reasons huh? It really isn't my fault your proposal fits tyrrany. If you're going to keep it, I'd get used to the comparison.
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You used the Franklin quote in an inappropriate context.
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Nope, liberty is the ability to do as you wish without harming anothers rights. Security is the assumed health benefit. Your lack of understanding does not change that.
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Sometimes the government is wrong, and sometimes it's right. That's how it is.
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Descrimination is wrong. That's how it is.
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You have not listed what rights will actually be taken away by my plan.
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Economic freedom. How many times do I have to say it? You don't understand the concept of an economic attack on someone? Theft? Come on now...
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My plan does not want to make it bigger. Trust me, I'm the one making it up.
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Sure it does. You're suggesting expanding the health facism allready taking it's toll on the liberty of your fellow Americans.
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We are not going to go from food labels to wire taps to death camps. It's just not happening.
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I wonder if Germans said something similar in the beginning?
"History is a vast early warning system." -Norman Cousins
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The context was wrong in your case.
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Dead on, your lack of understanding does not change that.
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I'll say that "Obesity is the jailer of the blood vessels, and the enemy of cardiac health."
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That does not give the government the right to apply penalties for it.
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Can we stop trading quotes?
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You haven't come up with any.
I guess you could quit replying to me, or leave to stop seeing them. Otherwise I can't help you. I value history, and the lessons of those that came before me.
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I wish I could roast the word 'discrimination' over a slow fire. I wish I could disembowel it and chop it up. I wish I could clone it, only to crucify 'discrimination' all the way down the Appian Way. I wish...I wish... [starts panting, twitching, bangs head against wall...] Damn you bastards...damn you to hell...[raises fist defiantly and passes out]
[arises from stupor] ...I have answered your claims of discrimination!
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Yeah, you answered them, and have validated them. The only bit you don't seem to get is that it's wrong to descriminate.
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I think that 'Not Constitutional' is encompassed by the term 'Unconstitutional.' I'm going to do a search of legal terms, since that is what matters.
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What would you call something not specifically listed in the Constitution? Are grapes unconstituional? Or are they not specifically addressed in the Constitution? A very, very simple concept. And I don't know how legal terms are "what matters".
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I equate the above statement with irrelevance.
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So you're saying bigots aren't bigots? LOL
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The phrase red herring has a number of metaphorical senses that share the general sense of something being a diversion from the original objective
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Sadly, it was right on the money though. You are the one suggesting letting the government decide what is good, and what penalties will be applied to those that do not fit the "good" category.
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So nice of you to be condescending.
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I tend to treat people, as I am treated by them.
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Did you actually expect me to remember your statement, almost fifty posts ago, about turning a corner to death camps?
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It's right there. Nobody took it away from you. Heck, you quoted it.
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I have a list of people I want to hurt. It's a small list....
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I'm going to stick with "liberty and justice for all", myself.