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Originally Posted by The_Burning_Kid
I would say hardly indegenious, my friend. The J-10 is a clone of the F-16 basically with canards and some other changes that the Chinese did to make it look different than the F-16. Hell, Pakistan and Israel helped it out, both of which had F-16s or made a prototype aircraft that was extremely similar to the F-16.
From the picture that I saw of the J-11B, it pretty much looks like a Chinese-ripped design of the Su-27 family aircraft. But maybe that's me.
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Yeah, J-10 is based Lavi. It does have some commonalities with F-16, but all of the calculations and design still had to be done by CAC. Calculations had to be done because we were using AL-31FN instead of the American engine. Also, I'm sure the canard, the variable intakes and delta wings aren't things you see on F-16. All of the avionics and stuff like that are all home-made also.
As for J-11B, it is still licensed production of su-27, but all the avionics, AAMs and engine are all developed by Chinese companies. Actually, they were all developed for J-10, but we were so unsatified with the Russian systems that we just put all of them on J-11. Only the airframe is still based on the flankers, but even that is 100% domestically made now.
So, it's unlikely that China will buy anymore fighters from Russia in the future. The Chinese fifth generation plane went into wind tunnel 2 years ago, so who knows, it might come out before PAK-FA does.