"Canada, the US, England have rules wherein if you are a visible minority, in many cases, you MAY get PREFERENCE in gaining a job, university acceptance etc..."

"The GINI coefficient essentially means x% of population accounts for % of total output. I think that in India its something like 22% of the population account for 80% of output, Ill check up on that one. Nordic countries have the most equal GINI coefficient."

"In any event when you talk about equal opportunity in India, there is a big problem, "there is no such thing as equal opportunity in most places."

"Now of course social intergration should be encouraged, cassifying people into religious groups may not be the best solution but the Govt's job is to make sure that minorities are as successful as possible, ie lend them a helping hand, the private sector can hire who they wish based on merit in my opinion but the role of the public sector is to look after minority rights and economic prosperity."

"Equal opportunity sounds nice but India is not there as of yet, only in theory, hence giving x% seats so to speak levels the playing field."

"Once the group's per capita income is close to or equal to the population average, we can dispense of such laws and move back to merit. "

"There is a good study that was conducted on Muslim women which explains much of the disparity in family incomes compared to other social groups. It does say that rather than looking at religion, one should look at regions and economic classes that are disadvantaged and you could conclude that rather than offering Muslims x% of seats, why not offer the poorest in general preference over govt posts, again its an interesting read."

"http://www.frontlineonnet.com/fl211...24002810300.htm
Muslim women in India JAYATI GHOSH

A new book provides a broad spectrum investigation into the socio-economic status of Muslim women in India, and delves into the roots of their disadvantaged conditions of life.

"STEREOTYPING is usually a necessary precondition for social discrimination, and all the more so when various social and cultural realities are sought to be hardened into "identities". That is probably why, over the past decade especially,
certain stereotypes have been systematically developed about the minority communities (especially Muslims, but also Christians)."

"Veiled Indian Muslim women walk through a street in Bhopal.
purdah and triple talaq that it is rendered almost invisible. "

"In such a context, it is REFRESHING to come across a study that seeks to go beyond the sociological veil spread by a focus on purdah, and actually examines the conditions faced by different categories of Muslim women in the country. ... ....
they are disproportionately represented among the poor and have the lowest per capita income indicators. This is ascribed not only to the lack of access to asset ownership, but also to poor educational attainment and occupational patterns, wwhich show clustering in low-paid activities, as well as the concentration of the Muslim population in the economically backward regions of the country. This economic differentiation constitutes probably the primary source of differentiation in status between Muslim and Hindu women in the aggregate, since the household's level of assets ownership, occupation and income possibilities critically determine the basic conditions of life of the women. However, there are significant regional differences in this: Muslims are generally poor in the north (especially rural areas) and the east, but less so in the south. "

"This economic differentiation constitutes probably the primary source of differentiation in status between Muslim and Hindu women in the aggregate, since the household's level of assets ownership, occupation and income possibilities critically determine the basic conditions of life of the women. However, there are significant regional differences in this: Muslims are generally poor in the north (especially rural areas) and the east, but less so in the south."

"But other findings of the study are much less predictable, and do much to demolish the damaging stereotypes that are so widely purveyed about Muslim women. One of the standard assumptions about Muslim women is that religion prevents them from getting more equal access to education. It is certainly true that Muslim women are more likely to be illiterate than Hindu women (in the survey, 59 per cent had never attended school and less than 10 per cent had completed school). However, the study shows that this is essentially the result of low socio-economic status, rather than religion. Across the survey, among all communities and caste groups, financial constraints and gender bias dominate over other factors in determining levels of education. Indeed, in those regions where Muslims are better off (as in the south and to a lesser extent in the west), Muslim women also have higher levels of education. However, two other features that are more specific to the Muslim community may have operated to devalue continuing education for girls. The first is that Muslim men also have very low educational attainment in general. The study found that 26 per cent of educated Muslim women had illiterate husbands. This low male education level would create further pressures to impose ceilings on girls' education, so as not to render them "unmarriageable". In addition, the low age of marriage is a major inhibiting factor. At the national level, the mean age of marriage of Muslim girls is very low at 15.6 years, and in the rural north it falls to an appalling 13.9 years. Low marriage age has a number of other adverse implications: it is usually associated with high early fertility, which affects women's nutrition and health status; it tends to reduce women's autonomy and agency in the marital home and to create conditions of patriarchal subservience that get perpetuated through life, and it thereby often reduces self-worth. This, in turn, may affect women's work participation in direct and indirect ways. It is well known that the work participation of Muslim women is very low, but the study indicates that this may be less due to the force of religion per se than to the patriarchal structures and patterns as well as low mobility and lack of opportunity that define their lives. It is worth noting that the work participation rate of women across communities tends to be low in certain regions, especially in the north and the east. Some of this is due to straightforward control over women's agency by male members of the household. Seventy five per cent of the women in the survey (both Hindu and Muslim) reported that they need permission from their husbands to work outside the home. Interestingly, the study revealed that across the board women in India tend to have relatively less autonomy of decision-making within the household. Less than 10 per cent of the respondents took any decisions on their own in major or minor matters, and among the 30 per cent who took decisions jointly with their husbands, Muslim women reported greater consultation than Hindus for all categories of decisions. Clearly, however, patriarchal control remains one
important constraint upon the outside work of women, among Muslims as well as certain other social categories. But in addition, most of the outside work that the representative Muslim woman has access to falls in the lowest paid and most exploited categories of labour. Such activities - self-employed in low-productivity activities in the informal sector, as casual labourers and domestic servants - imply poor working conditions and low wages. It is, therefore, possible that Muslim women are kept out of the paid workforce not only by religious or purdah type motivations, but perhaps more significantly by low education, lack of opportunity, low mobility and the inability to delegate domestic responsibilities. In terms of domestic violence - which is widely recognised to be increasing in India - the incidence cuts across caste, class and community. The survey finds that over 50 per cent of the reported violence (which may, of course, be different from the actual incidence of violence) is among the Scheduled Caste and the Scheduled Tribe households, which also happen to be the poorest of the poor. Muslim women come in third (after Other Backward Castes) at 18 per cent. What is possibly more significant is that husbands were identified as the primary perpetrators in more than 80 per cent of cases. EFFECTIVELY, what this study shows is that Hindu-Muslim differences in patterns of marriage, autonomy, mobility and domestic violence are insignificant. There is no apparent community-wise variation in women's decision-making, mobility and access to public spaces. Rather, what the survey indicates is that most women in India - across communities and regions - have very little autonomy and control over their own lives. Of course, such constraints are not felt equally by all women, but the distinctions are determined more by class and geographical location than by community. Indeed, regional development appears to be a better predictor of the status of women and "Muslimness" or religion per se. These are obviously extremely important results, which point to a different direction for public policy as well. There are clear indications of the need for a new, less predetermined conception of community and especially of the status of women within a community. This would go beyond the patterns of special group recognition, in which notions of "identity" (however patriarchal) are maintained at all costs. It would also have to avoid getting bogged down by controversies over claims of the minorities of enhanced representation in government jobs and the like. Rather, the social and economic processes that confront marginal groups in general need to be addressed - to enable greater real democracy across different
social groups and across gender within social groups."

"Note though that without equal opportunity the Govt's policy of helping the poor by offering them seats or posts is not a bad solution because the social and economic processes that, as the article mentions, confront marginal groups will take time to be addressed."

Offering them posts is Government determining OUTCOME NOT OPPORTUNITY. Let us wait till the Indian people can be fooled into choosing Communism as the solution for the problem of the Muslim Women.

Is 50 years since independence not enough time?. Will 500 years be enough? If yes, why?. The Islamist Bigots will make sure that it is at lest 5000.

Kashmiri Pandit Women, rotting in the refugee camps, can wait.

By the way, are Kashmiri Pandit Women a minority? I bet not one of them can play tennis like Sania Mirza.