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Sameer · 10-12-2005, 00:17 AM

Ok i went through 3 of the 3 pages. A chap named Rahul came up with the idea on a ong road trip.

First off here are the problems with it, al my opinion of course.

1) You are asking the GOI to accept that there are Indian citizens who are willing to leave the country for money, ie 5000 dollars. Now i read the part about excludable Sunnis and how step one would involve only a secret list of 1% etc etc at first, ie baby steps and I am sure that you could find willing customers in the valley but at the end of the day, the GOI will suddenly have to announce that there is a Kashmir problem wherein people wish to seperate and we are willing to bribe them and let them leave their land. Honestly, what Indian Govt will ever propose such a plan? very risky move politically.
Answer: You would for one need a Prime Minister who is very popular and has a majority Government willing to support him. Neither the BJP nor the Congress would fit in that category. Kangress' allies would quickly shoot down the idea before it ever took off. BJP?
Who? Advani? Modi? the BJP is in shambles when it comes to leadship.
2) It was also mentioned as a crocodile in that thread, ie the borders are quite porous, Pakistan will never agree to this plan, that is a guarantee but they will probably end up letting their brothers cross. However any half decent PR manager could turn this into "the Muslim exodus from the evil Indians' grip". Wont score us brownie points and God knows our politicians love brownie points. Now there is the issue of insurgency which is the problem, had that not existed, the Kashmiris, a very laid back people (heck i am of Kashmiri origin) would have probably been happy enjoying fast economic growth right now. Congress screwed up in the 70s and 80s, had they not done so there would have never been a seperatist movement but getting back to my point, Rahul's point does not address Pakistan's claim on the land. We all know that this Muslim brotherhood thing only works for the masses. Gaining territorial expansion is their true goal and they will not stop the insurgency. If the insurgency continues and it will as long as we let Pakistan continue, you cannot have any returns of Pundits or settlement by other citizens from across the country. Investment climate will still be karab.

Now I see where this may go here

India may now say, look people who wanted to leave have left, people who have stayed back want to be part of India, Pakistan can buzz off now, ie problem solved.

However i doubt that the Pakistani sponsored "independence struggle" will stop.

The more I think about it, the more i realize that its probably a very cunning plan to outmanouver the Pakistani leadership but they will counter it, they will have to. they may let in a few brothers but they will not let in more than that, imagine even 100000 people taking up this offer, not only will this cost us a huge sum and long term profits on that investment may be iffy at best bt Paksitan will not be able to take on such an influx anyway. Canada will not, the US wont, what country will take up thousands of people?

Again i have to conclude that in the Indian context of things, plans need to have a constraint, ie politics. Indian politicians will not encourage paid immigration, its just not going to happen. And what happens now, i am scared that once you set an example, every single person who gets a visa to Canada or any other western country may apply for the 5000 dollar gift, what will you tell them? Only kashmiris got such a deal, that would mean that you would have to legislate a seperate law excluding all other Indian citizens who are not kashmiris from getting such a sum, that just wont happen.

Sorry i may not be specific or clear because i wrote this quickly, perhaps i will have to clarify and correct a few things later...

10-12-2005, 00:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
Sameer Banished *Senior Contributor* Join Date: 07-12-05 Posts: 2,541	Ok i went through 3 of the 3 pages. A chap named Rahul came up with the idea on a ong road trip. First off here are the problems with it, al my opinion of course. 1) You are asking the GOI to accept that there are Indian citizens who are willing to leave the country for money, ie 5000 dollars. Now i read the part about excludable Sunnis and how step one would involve only a secret list of 1% etc etc at first, ie baby steps and I am sure that you could find willing customers in the valley but at the end of the day, the GOI will suddenly have to announce that there is a Kashmir problem wherein people wish to seperate and we are willing to bribe them and let them leave their land. Honestly, what Indian Govt will ever propose such a plan? very risky move politically. Answer: You would for one need a Prime Minister who is very popular and has a majority Government willing to support him. Neither the BJP nor the Congress would fit in that category. Kangress' allies would quickly shoot down the idea before it ever took off. BJP? Who? Advani? Modi? the BJP is in shambles when it comes to leadship. 2) It was also mentioned as a crocodile in that thread, ie the borders are quite porous, Pakistan will never agree to this plan, that is a guarantee but they will probably end up letting their brothers cross. However any half decent PR manager could turn this into "the Muslim exodus from the evil Indians' grip". Wont score us brownie points and God knows our politicians love brownie points. Now there is the issue of insurgency which is the problem, had that not existed, the Kashmiris, a very laid back people (heck i am of Kashmiri origin) would have probably been happy enjoying fast economic growth right now. Congress screwed up in the 70s and 80s, had they not done so there would have never been a seperatist movement but getting back to my point, Rahul's point does not address Pakistan's claim on the land. We all know that this Muslim brotherhood thing only works for the masses. Gaining territorial expansion is their true goal and they will not stop the insurgency. If the insurgency continues and it will as long as we let Pakistan continue, you cannot have any returns of Pundits or settlement by other citizens from across the country. Investment climate will still be karab. Now I see where this may go here India may now say, look people who wanted to leave have left, people who have stayed back want to be part of India, Pakistan can buzz off now, ie problem solved. However i doubt that the Pakistani sponsored "independence struggle" will stop. The more I think about it, the more i realize that its probably a very cunning plan to outmanouver the Pakistani leadership but they will counter it, they will have to. they may let in a few brothers but they will not let in more than that, imagine even 100000 people taking up this offer, not only will this cost us a huge sum and long term profits on that investment may be iffy at best bt Paksitan will not be able to take on such an influx anyway. Canada will not, the US wont, what country will take up thousands of people? Again i have to conclude that in the Indian context of things, plans need to have a constraint, ie politics. Indian politicians will not encourage paid immigration, its just not going to happen. And what happens now, i am scared that once you set an example, every single person who gets a visa to Canada or any other western country may apply for the 5000 dollar gift, what will you tell them? Only kashmiris got such a deal, that would mean that you would have to legislate a seperate law excluding all other Indian citizens who are not kashmiris from getting such a sum, that just wont happen. Sorry i may not be specific or clear because i wrote this quickly, perhaps i will have to clarify and correct a few things later...