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Originally Posted by dave angel
the problem with your analysis is that for every bin laden saying x about islam you have ten other blokes saying y.
no religion is so fluid that it can encompass everyone who says they are an adherent regardless of their actions, yet the actions carried out by adherents of a particular religion can be mutually exclusive.
jesus's message was one of hope, faith and compassion, yet 'christians' burnt other christians for saying prayers in the wrong language and more recently, they wouldn't allow black folk to vote or sit on the same bus as them.
were these people christian, they described themselves as christian, but is that enough?
i could say i'm the spiritual light of the US army, but that doesn't make it true.
as for the IRA, while they publicly embraced marxism - mainly to secure funding and arms - the IRA's support comes from deeply conservative irish catholicism, which is a very statist form of catholicism that played a central role in the nationalist movement in Ireland.
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I believe it’s a matter of perception, Dave.
They perceive themselves to be Muslim, as does the world around them. That they violate some of the cardinal tenets of their creed is irrelevant.
After all how many adherents of the various religious and political creeds are pure in their faith and beliefs.
Christians, Jews and Muslims daily break the Ten Commandments; which are said to be the very word of God, simply as matter of expediency. Yet they still call themselves Christian, Jews and Muslims, and are preceived by their fellows as such.
These fanatics are still Islamist/Muslims, and trying to deny that fact is simply burying ones head in the sand and succumbing to a kind of political correctness.
Call a spade, a spade, Dave.