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Old 09-17-2005, 21:59 PM   #18 (permalink)
B.Smitty
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[quote=Defcon 6]No, my ship uses a lot of recycled metal. The idea is that I


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The USN wants to field fewer ships anyways.
Not fewer, massively more expensive ships! They're going to have a hard enough time selling DD(X), let alone a BB!



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Yes I understand this now. I already had selected the Evolved Sea Sparrow Missile and British SeaWolf Block 2 missiles for use. The SeaWolf has a 70km range, enabling it to hit ICBM's. However, its loadout is of greater variety than the CG(X), so it could equip the same missiles that the CG(X) could.
SeaWolf? Umm, no. ESSM is a more capable missile to begin with and it doesn't have TMD capability.


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This ship handles the job of more ships effectively. The Navy already has selected Littoral ships for that purpose.
Like convoy escort? ASM? Anti-mining ops? Maritime patrol?

I don't think so. It's marginally better than a DD(X) at area air defense owing to its larger VLS complement. The only thing it really does better is surface strike - and at a rather high cost.



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ok.


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I argued this on the other forum earlier. But it's not true. Go and check what rickusn said. The 5 inch shells can only go 100 miles, opposed to my 320 mile range shells.
If I read that thread correctly, rickusn said 6" guns had trouble with concrete structures in KOREA!

We're a long ways from that war. We have other systems that can handle hardened structures.


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My ship is capable of 41 kts. It's faster than any ship in service now.
And the only time it would use it is for PR stunts.

Seriously, 40kts on an LCS is useful for running down suspicious ships. 40kts on a BB is just for showing off.


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And a fast attack craft can't outrun a missile. if it gets close, my ship has a CIWS.
My point was that a BBs armament is tremendous overkill for the majority of sea control missions.


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They aren't that expensive compared to a 13 billion dollar aircraft carrier. Like the carrier, this ship is a force multiplier in its own way. And the Navy as I have said wants to field fewer ships.
This ship isn't a force multiplier, it's sole value is lobbing tons of ordinance, and it's a value we don't need (at least not given what it'd cost).


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With smaller guns. They don't meet the mission requirements currently needed.
Which are??


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Last time I checked the guided 155mm's cost 9k and were working fine. Show some sources because what you are saying just isn't true.
ERGM - $50k-100k estimate, http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.o...ve_Targets.htm
Excalibur - $50k estimate, http://www.strategypage.com/dls/arti...0054121018.asp
LRLA - $35k estimate, http://www.findarticles.com/p/articl...07/ai_n9458660

Now you can guess these will go up - as virtually all defense industry estimates do.


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Even then you'll never exceed the explosive force of a 3,200 lb 16" shell.
Yes, but it is overkill in most situations.


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The 16 turrets is suppose to be downsized to 10. However regardless this ship is optimized as it is. A 155mm turret costs about 3 million dollars with support systems. So really they don't add much cost, and it's reasonable to have more especially when the 155mm's can be unmanned.
Where'd you get that number? The Mk110 57mm turret costs almost $7 million.

http://www.army-technology.com/contr...s7/press2.html (11mill Euros for 2 = $13.5mill / 2)

I can only imagine what a triple 16" monster would cost, let alone a 155mm AGS.
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