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Old 09-17-2005, 00:02 AM   #10 (permalink)
Defcon 6
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Defcon,
I found your ideas very interesting to say the least.
I have a question or two if thats ok..
Of course.

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Ok for comparison ill use BB38 Pennsylvania.
It's a little old but will work.

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608' long x 97' beam
31,400 tons
Main Arm- 12/14" in four triples
crew-915
My ship is highly automated, reducing weight. Crew of less than 300.

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Ok so your proposing a new generation battleship

611' long x 79' beam
33,000 tons
Main Arm 9/16" in four triples
crew-202-369

My question is,

1. With a longer length then the Pennsylvania class but with much shorter beam would this new ship be able to handle the weight of a full broadside of 9/16" guns (Pennsy had 12/14")without capsizing or shaking her to pieces?(according to lore Pennsy & Arizona shook like hell under full broadsides.) I understand that she will be heavier then the Pa class but not by much and given the narrower beam one has to wonder if it will handle the broadside weight and still be good seakeeping i.e. extreme draft etc to be an effective fast (41 knot) weapons platform.
This ship has a double hull, all together consisting of 29 inches of armor in certain places. Thats where the extra weight comes from. The super structure is designed to consist of alluminum and composites. with only reinforcing steel reducing tonnage by 23% when compared to a similar ship. Thats how I was able to stick so much armor on there and keep it at 33,000 tons. The double hull is designed to co-support the super structure.

This ship most likely wouldnt ever come under attack from cannon fire of serious nature. It isn't designed to fight other battleships, but rather ships carrying small caliber cannons and mostly missiles. Hence the SeaWolf Block 2 missiles and the ESSM's.

The Tumblehome hull design offers high stability and shallow draft compared to conventional hulls.

I've calculated draft at roughly 28-34 ft including mermaid pod clearance.

The double hull was specifically designed with the alluminum super structure in mind, alluminum is rather flexible, thus prevents it from shaking to pieces. Another reason for the double hull is to prevent torpedo kills by kinetic force. Modern torpoedes create air pockets under a ship when they explode, attempting to buckle the hull while also putting a large hull in it using its explosive force. My ship is laterally braced to prevent this. So it will take 5-6 modern torpedoes of 650mm size. Thats 8-9 533 mm.

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I do like the idea of the Mermaid pods. Shame they werent thoughts in WWII.
A battleship with a small crew would really make the Carrier Admirals cringe..lol there goes one more of their excuses..
Ahh a battleship with torpedoes again. Hopefully the submerged design so they hide and hopefully the newer faster design torpedo as well
You seem to have some pretty good ideas maybe do some mock up model drawings to share with us to give us a better understanding as there are a few guys here that may be able to help you enhance your ideas. Good Luck. I know I'd love to see a battleship at sea agin
This ship uses the Mk.48 torpedoes which are 533mm and submerge, they are capable of anti-ship and anti-submarine operations.

Yes, the Mermaid pods were used on the Queen Mary 2, proving that heavy ships can use them with extreme effectivness. QM2 is a 150,000 ton cruise liner capable of 28 kts. My ship obviously is nuclear powered thus can run at very near mximum potential. And of course there is no rudder so torpedo's have a more difficult time diabling my ship.

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Also Praxus has a model on here that may help you visualize its under the Multimedia Forum called Model Battleship.
You would have to take a look at the DD(X) U.S.N destroyer to have a good idea of what my BB would look like. It has a black hull, very low to the water with no railings. So it looks very much like a funny shaped submarine with large guns on the top. This is all done to enhance stealthy aspects, greatly reducing radar crossection. The black outside coating is used to provide a measure against IR guidance while being made of rubber, decreases Acoustic signature. Mermaid pods are very silent ontop of that.

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P.S. Please do make sure that you give her a proper "capital" ship name i.e. back to state names and restore some lost glory to us battleship crazies
I didn't give mine a state name simply because it doesn't exist yet. So I call it the exalibur class because it would use ammunition similar to the army's new exalibur artillery shells for it's guns.
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