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Jay, I realized you were not very bright a while back. But it is no good you typing all this stuff and removing all doubt of your lack of intellect.
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Yeah ok, @ss hole, you be the brightest north star. You already proved your brightness or lack of, in the LCA thread. Muhaahah...70%..that was funny! |
Take it up with defencetalk.com They quoted it. I am sure you can show them the light
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You have quoted a report from a BENGALI (that's a native of Bangladesh). That is not an INDEPENDENT analysis.
On the other hand, the Bose report i quoted, is from a BENGALI as well, but she cannot be accused of bias because she concludes that all the accusations of mass rapings of her own people, the Bengalis, by the West Pakistani troops is false.
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So if a Bengali, prolly a West Bengali says that Pakistani troops are innocent then its true. Incase if a bengali say against it, then its not neutral and partial? that one stupid logic. And for citing bengali sources, do you think Pakistani soldiers would ivite 100's of non bengalis and then mass rape in front of them?? |
You're a funny guy, so stupid, but funny. It goes in one ear and out the other. Talk about short memory span. It's as simple or as complicated as this, Jay. Bose is West Bengali, that makes her Indian. India fought against West Pakistan. She researched the war, presented her findings to a select committee of historians, even Bangladeshi historians that agreed their figure of 3 million was ridiculous (conveniently blaming it on a mistranslation of texts), and showed by a systematic analysis of case studies that there was no evidence of rapes committed by West Pakistani forces.
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8.. No rape of women by Pakistan army found in any of the cases of
conflict
In all of the incidents involving the Pakistan army in the
case-studies, the armed forces were found not to have raped women. While
this cannot be extrapolated beyond the specific incidents in this study,
it is significant, as in many cases the allegation of rape was made along
with allegations of killing in prior verbal discussions or in some cases
even in written form in the Bengali literature. However, when Bengali
eye-witnesses, participants and survivors of the incidents were
interviewed they testified to the violence and killings, but also
testified that no rape had taken place.
http://www.drishtipat.org/1971/sarmila_paper.html
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i'm not sure what's not getting through your skull here. Bose's survey was conducted in the last few years. They're based on interviews, visiting the sites, gathering data and then analyzing them. She has no reason whatsoever to favour the West Pakistani forces. She just found too many contradictions in the stories of people bent on trying to make a name for themselves, money, or tarnish images of others.
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Keyword here is NEUTRAL, or at least not to have your reports biased by nationality.
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Nationality doesnt make a report partial. A lot of the amnesty reports are written by natives of that nation, does that make it partial?? |
Difference is Amnesty is a reputed organization that will check the reports being made for factual incosistencies - it's their name at stake after all and that's why they're such a powerful organization. Usually they'll work in teams so there's not going to be much chance of them getting away with making things up unlike the lone riders from Bangladesh.
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Rounaq Jahan received a BA and an MA (1963) in Political Science from Dhaka University, Bangladesh. In 1968 she received an MA in Political Science from Harvard University, from where she also earned her PhD in 1970. From 1970 to 1993 she taught at Dhaka University http://www.sipa.columbia.edu/faculty/bios/rj15.html
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Yeah so what, she was there during the GENOCIDE and she knows Bengali and she can very well conduct interviews with eye witnesses. That makes it even more authentic. |
LOL!!
Look at it like this. Let's say (God forbid) that your friend doesnt like someone. He invents a story about them, and portrays it as true to get back at them. Are you supposed to believe him.
I can see I'm wasting my time here
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Now what about the cases of abortions quoted by Doctors and others?? Are they partial too?
So Robert Payne is a Bengali?? Brownmiller is also a Bengali??
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I havent checked those two out, and I dont intend to waste more time doing it right now. But BrownMiller quotes Aubrey Menon, as do
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Aubrey Menon, an Indian author, wrote in his book The Space Within the Heart about his study of the Upanisads:
[My study] was to prove an insight into the hoax that all of us accept as complete living... [I realized] my life had been the laborious construct of other people, some well-intentioned, some malign, some just interfering. It has been a life of emotion invented for me to feel. It has been life designed so that I should never be my own man. . . .”
http://www.timelessindia.us/chapter32.htm
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I wouldnt say an Indian author's writings on the War were impartial. Another thing that has to be remembered is that the Pakistan Army had banned all reporters from Bangladesh during 1971 when this was occurring so Robert Payne et al had to have been working with the Mukti Bahini guerillas who no doubt would be more than willing to show them dead bodies even if they were Biharis. There is nothing solid in any of the things you quote in my opinion. Perhaps, Robert Payne. I'll see if i can find something about him later.
alright, i had a quick look for Robert Payne. This is what Robert Payne says in his book "Massacre"
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President Yahya said, "Kill three million of them and the rest will eat out of our hands". (Robert Payne, Massacre, The Tragedy of Bangladesh and the Phenomenon of Mass Slaughter Throughout History; P50; New York, Macmillan, 1973)
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So how did Robert Payne hear Yahya say this? Was Yahya in the habit of wanting to look evil in front of journalists. It just so happens that this figure of 3 million dead in this war is quoted by the Bengalis, and Indians in their medias as though it's Gospel. Coincidence or............?????????
He's just trying to sell his book, and make it as sensationlist as possible is my guess.