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Anon · 06-23-2005, 01:13 AM

"You found the one time any position is given in a CFF except for a Shift mission. And it stills doesn’t jive with your “Consistant with standard procedures” Because in creeping fires from NGF you give the troops that will be in the DC areas position, vice the observers position."

I was talking about DC procedures.

"(GG)
That also explains why you were not awarded the MOS 13F. "

Never said i was a 13F. Never implied i was a 13F. I was trained in basic fire support procedures, and i spent 2 years plus developing that OJT as a member of a sniper team. I held a secondary MOS of 11C, and that's why i'm familiar with FDC and mortar firing point procedures. I've also been out for 15 years.
We're not exactly talking about finger painting here, we're into some of the finer intracacies of FO procedures.

In my unit we were trained to give direction and range to target on all DC RFFs.

"Care to restate your case? May also note that the 6-30 also says” Naval gunfire ships are not normally assigned FPFs.”"

Considering that i was quoting the DC procedures for NGFS and not FPF procedures, no, i feel my case is fine as is.

I brought up FPFs because you made the blanket statement that the authority to put fire on one's position always goes up the chain of command. I posted you a direct link to a US Army field manual that states that authority lies with the unit Commander with an FPF.

"Figure 7-2. FPF dimensions.

The authority to call for the FPF is given to the leader (normally the CO or platoon leader) in whose area the FPF is located. The FPF has the highest priority of any target assigned to a fire support means. The FPF is only fired when required to repel the enemy's assault. Premature firing wastes ammunition and allows the enemy to avoid the impact area."
http://www.armedforces.net/Detailed/770.html

Which is why i brought up FDFs at all.

"If you are getting DC fire from an arty/NGF tube, your people must take cover. This means that when you need them most your Auto weapons and mortars cannot shoot."

If i have fire raining down on my perimeter the only place i need me and any men whom i might have under my charge is in the bottom of our holes...keeping their asses alive.

They can shoot once 'steel death stop raining from sky.'

"(1) The CO and the company FSO plan the exact locations for any FPF. An FPF is a barrier of fire planned on the most dangerous enemy avenue of approach to provide immediate close protection for defending soldiers during an enemy assault. It must be integrated with the direct-fire plan (particularly any machine gun FPLs) and the company obstacle plan. It is adjusted as close as possible to friendly soldiers WITHOUT ENDANGERING THEM."

And the part of the manual i quoted clearly stated that if your men are in positions of overhead cover you can creep fire in to the minimum safe distance of the shells being fired.

Observe:

"From FM 7-13:

"c. The Protection of his Unit as the Rounds are Impacting. If in well-prepared defensive positions with overhead cover, an FPF could be adjusted very close (Just beyond bursting range). If required, the CO could even call for artillery fires right on his company position using proximity or time fuses for air bursts."

http://www.armedforces.net/Detailed/770.html

"The Iraqis surrendered to the UAV after the end of the war. A Bn of Iraqi soldiers surrendered to 2 CNN reporters also. I don't think either of us would suggest drafting CNN as soldiers."

Hmmm....draft CNN reporters?

That's a wickedly evil idea.

06-23-2005, 01:13 AM	#209 (permalink)
Anon New Member Join Date: 08-03-03 Posts: 0	"You found the one time any position is given in a CFF except for a Shift mission. And it stills doesn’t jive with your “Consistant with standard procedures” Because in creeping fires from NGF you give the troops that will be in the DC areas position, vice the observers position." I was talking about DC procedures. "(GG) That also explains why you were not awarded the MOS 13F. " Never said i was a 13F. Never implied i was a 13F. I was trained in basic fire support procedures, and i spent 2 years plus developing that OJT as a member of a sniper team. I held a secondary MOS of 11C, and that's why i'm familiar with FDC and mortar firing point procedures. I've also been out for 15 years. We're not exactly talking about finger painting here, we're into some of the finer intracacies of FO procedures. In my unit we were trained to give direction and range to target on all DC RFFs. "Care to restate your case? May also note that the 6-30 also says” Naval gunfire ships are not normally assigned FPFs.”" Considering that i was quoting the DC procedures for NGFS and not FPF procedures, no, i feel my case is fine as is. I brought up FPFs because you made the blanket statement that the authority to put fire on one's position always goes up the chain of command. I posted you a direct link to a US Army field manual that states that authority lies with the unit Commander with an FPF. "Figure 7-2. FPF dimensions. The authority to call for the FPF is given to the leader (normally the CO or platoon leader) in whose area the FPF is located. The FPF has the highest priority of any target assigned to a fire support means. The FPF is only fired when required to repel the enemy's assault. Premature firing wastes ammunition and allows the enemy to avoid the impact area." http://www.armedforces.net/Detailed/770.html Which is why i brought up FDFs at all. "If you are getting DC fire from an arty/NGF tube, your people must take cover. This means that when you need them most your Auto weapons and mortars cannot shoot." If i have fire raining down on my perimeter the only place i need me and any men whom i might have under my charge is in the bottom of our holes...keeping their asses alive. They can shoot once 'steel death stop raining from sky.' "(1) The CO and the company FSO plan the exact locations for any FPF. An FPF is a barrier of fire planned on the most dangerous enemy avenue of approach to provide immediate close protection for defending soldiers during an enemy assault. It must be integrated with the direct-fire plan (particularly any machine gun FPLs) and the company obstacle plan. It is adjusted as close as possible to friendly soldiers WITHOUT ENDANGERING THEM." And the part of the manual i quoted clearly stated that if your men are in positions of overhead cover you can creep fire in to the minimum safe distance of the shells being fired. Observe: "From FM 7-13: "c. The Protection of his Unit as the Rounds are Impacting. If in well-prepared defensive positions with overhead cover, an FPF could be adjusted very close (Just beyond bursting range). If required, the CO could even call for artillery fires right on his company position using proximity or time fuses for air bursts." http://www.armedforces.net/Detailed/770.html "The Iraqis surrendered to the UAV after the end of the war. A Bn of Iraqi soldiers surrendered to 2 CNN reporters also. I don't think either of us would suggest drafting CNN as soldiers." Hmmm....draft CNN reporters? That's a wickedly evil idea. Last edited by Anon : 06-23-2005 at 01:48 AM.