" No JSOW high alt powered range is in excess of 120 nm (200km) at around $700 thous
High alt glide mode range is 40nm(64km)"
Guess what. That's well within the engagement envelope of the S-300 and S-400 SAM systems.
"JDAM is around 15 nm at $18 thous"
That's in the engagement envelope of the Vietnam era SA-2, let alone modern systems.
"TacTom over 100nm at $500 thous"
Tactom is 1500nm.
"All with less that 10 meter CEP."
GPS is a wonderful thing. Exactly why we should incorporate it into the DARPA 13" and 11" sabot shells as tested in the 1980s.
"The CO may have to write letters for the next turret explosion. Since there will be poorly trained and probably undermanned like last time."
There are competing theories as to what happened, but the gunners mates manning the turrets were quite well trained, and manning levels have nothing to do with the explosion theories espoused by anyone.
"Only in Stearmans mind."
Seem to have a weed up your ass there Marine. Stearman cancel your shore leave on you once or something?
"Using the famous Pentagon overlaid shot group of great(?) shooting I see a 750 yd range dispersion at 25 thou yards and 8 of 16 having some effect on the 200 x 200 yd target. At 38 thous yds 3-4 have effect on the target area and there is a 900 yd range spread. And that’s an example of really great shooting.
USNFSA says lethal area for ground burst is 145 yds"
The lethal zone of the 16 VVT projectile is 2778 sq yards. That's far beyond what is required to achieve an interlocking killing zone and complete target saturation with the 16" HC-VVT projectiles.
The lethal zone for a QT fuzed 16" HC projectile is 1024sq yards.
The 2700lb Mk8 AP round is a sub MOA projectile, and achieves significantly better point accuracy, as demonstrated during actual combat operations off the coast of Beirut in the 1980s.
"Compare that to a 10 – 3 meter CEP for guided/smart projectiles already in inventory."
Since when is comparing unguided projectiles with guided munitions an appropriate measurement of the effectiveness of the LAUNCH PLATFORM?
Put a SALH seeker or GAINS package on a 16" shell, then we can talk about what has better accuracy, a guided shell, or a guided bomb.
"No wonder the Danger Close distance for ADJUSTED 16” is 2 thous meters."
That's because the lethal radius of the 16" HHC-VT projectile is so massive. The DCZ is entirely dependent on the projectiles fuzing- as you full well know. The DCZ is 750 meters for QT fuzed 16" HC shells.
Of course, i've already told you that in three separate threads now.
"S-3 is armed. They fired one of the first shots in OIF. Navy Maverick, IIRC."
Not anymore they're not. Do you think i make this shiit up or something? All mission related electronics were removed/are being removed from the S-3, and regardless, it's slated for retirement.
The B-52 Harpoon capability was removed in the 1990s. I've told you THAT three times now too.
"And how many Burkes and Ticos do we already have that, without mods already have DPICM and AEGIS. Not a reason to bring back BBs."
There is no 5" submunition round in service in the USN that i am aware of.
"I’m sure I was. I got the info from the USNFSA site. Its in the slides in the Congressman Bartlett PDF brief. Probably BS like the rest of the info at that site."
Yeah, but you got it all figured out, right Marine? You know what all the experts at USNFSA who have commited years of their life wrt the BBs don't. Odd that your own service branch's commandant completely disagrees, don't you think?
LOL.
"Like those DARPA rounds that never got beyond the drawing board that will somehow be ready for use."
Sorry skippy, the 13" rounds were developed and test fired. The 11" rounds were the ones that never made it off paper..
"What a “Sparks” Comment. But I can do those too..
Like saying if the Army got some good s h o o t e r s they wouldn’t need Canadian snipers to be attached."
Those snipers were assigned to CENTCOM. CENTCOM also enjoyed a large contingent of USMC snipers in it's command. I guess that means the jarhead snipers weren't good enough either.
Or...it means that the more capabilities in one mission area of need you can get, the better.
You decide.
"Or a decent rifle like the M-40A3 for the long 1050 yd 7.62 shots."
The M-24 is just fine to 1000 meters and beyond.
"To be an unneeded capability Marines sure are used a lot. "
Yeah, used to augment the Army, in traditionally army roles.
The USMC has not been used for it's INTENDED role since Inchon.
I say scrap it. Roll the airwing into the navy, junk the obsolete helos and build razors out of em, and give all the ground troops and equipment to the US Army....that of it which is actually useful that is. Most USMC combat vehicles are obsolete lightly armored junk too.
But hey, you guys will be getting your 110 million a copy Osprey soon. Then everything will be just ducky...
For the price of 20 Ospreys, we can have two modernized Iowas. But to you....20 Ospreys are more useful i guess.
To me, we don't even need the USMC. Hell, the biggest and most dangerous amphibious operation in the history of man was entrusted to the US Army, a mission which my former service performed brilliantly.
What is it we need the Marines for again?